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[Neonivek]

But by that logic, the thread made specifically to rant against the game should have thrived, and it sits buried somewhere way on down in the forum. Instead "sweet, I made money playing a game I enjoy" is met with "you should be ashamed."

I don't EXACTLY remember that part. It was mostly met with "I think it would be more efficient to work"

[nenjin]

But by that logic, the thread made specifically to rant against the game should have thrived, and it sits buried somewhere way on down in the forum. Instead "sweet, I made money playing a game I enjoy" is met with "you should be ashamed."

/shrug

People want to comment where they know it's going to be seen. The fact the dedicated bitching thread didn't take off doesn't really prove anything to me, other than that derivative threads often don't surpass their parents.

Besides, when supporters of the game decide to vociferously defend it here....that's where the posting is going to happen.

[Darkmere]

I don't EXACTLY remember that part. It was mostly met with "I think it would be more efficient to work"

Oh. Well fortunately, I found it for you.

That's literally nothing to be proud of. Rather, it's really sad.

Assuming you played Diablo 3 for 50 hours, you made a grand total of $5.60 per hour. That's pretty pathetic. Even accounting for exaggeration. The beggars outside my workplace earn more than that.

Like Sordid said, I really recommend you don't brag that figure to people.

[Sergius]

Funny how you do exactly the same thing in the Terraria thread, instead of making your own "terraria hardmode ruined it forever" thread, you jump into the bandwagon and start complaining right there

[nenjin]

Right along with equating someone's manhood to whether or not they savescum. Nice work 

[SalmonGod]

My comments about licensing were just meant to be about the concept of licensing in general -- not specific to Diablo 3, or my analogy would have been more like Nadaka's.

[Darkmere]

Right along with equating someone's manhood to whether or not they savescum. Nice work 

On some corners of the internet I'd take that personally.

Seriously though, I hope I came across as jesting more than the comment I posted previously.

How many have been keeping up with the patches to D3 that have come about in response to the drop rate/difficulty/spec selection complaints? I see that mentioned, but most sound to me like the game as it was a few months ago instead of what it is now.

[nenjin]

I haven't played D3 since the 2nd or 3rd update, and I promised myself I wasn't going to bellyache in the thread about the game anymore until I'd played the recent updates. Which I probably won't do.

[V-Norrec]

I played a little bit recently.  I'm having a lot of fun with my WD trying out new things and seeing what is viable now.  She is only Act 2 Nightmare because I got distracted with other things, but I find myself enjoying the game when I get enough time to poke my head in.

As for the story be 'embarrassingly bad', I really don't see anything different between it and your average action movie.

1)  Meet the hero (Leah and your character)
2)  Exposition about circumstance that will need resolving (Saving Deckard)
3)  Call to action (Deckard Cain's Death and Tyreal's Abduction)
4)  Big Boss Fight  (Butcher)
5)  Resolution  (Tyreal remembers who he is and why he came.)

Throw is some more 2-5 with an additional  6)  A person believed to be an ally betrays you, and you have what would be a long Action Movie.  Do I wish I got to visit more of Sanctuary, yes I do.  Do I wish there was some more characterization of the main characters, certainly, I eat that kind of stuff for breakfast.  Is the story bad though, I contend that is is not.  The story is an adequate Call-to-Arms tale that does very little to deviate from the norm, and didn't try to act like it was anything else.

That said, all of the conversations with the followers and the side-quests were stellar, in my own opinion of course.

[Neonivek]

As for the story be 'embarrassingly bad', I really don't see anything different between it and your average action movie

A lot of it you have to understand the story of the first two games.

Also you arn't at the embarassingly bad on its own merits that is worse then your average action movie section yet.

As well "Average action movie" grade story in a game... with a story (and a focus on story). Is actually quite bad.

" Is the story bad though, I contend that is is not"

Ok... then present it... present the game story THIS YEAR that is worse?

All your proof is, is splitting the story into parts and showing their intent. That does not a story make.

[V-Norrec]

As for the story be 'embarrassingly bad', I really don't see anything different between it and your average action movie

A lot of it you have to understand the story of the first two games.

Also you arn't at the embarassingly bad on its own merits hat is worse then your average action movie section yet.

As well "Average action movie" grade story in a game... with a story (and a focus on story). Is actually quite bad.

I played Diablo 1, skipped out on Diablo 2, and obviously have played through Diablo 3.  As far as I'm concerned, it looks like a worthy successor a lot of people were expecting to redefine the genre, when it delivered a solid, but not genre-breaking game, people over-reacted.  That's how I see it anyhow.  The average story in this kind of game, from the prospective of Torchlight (the first game) is apparently, there are bad things over there!  KILL THEM WITH FIRE!  Oh and there are other things to do that give you money and stuff, you should do those too.  Compared to that story, Diablo 3 wins, hands down.  Really, it's all just expectations being high and the game merely being somewhere between average and above-average in today's market.

[V-Norrec]

" Is the story bad though, I contend that is is not"

Ok... then present it... present the game story THIS YEAR that is worse?

All your proof is, is splitting the story into parts and showing their intent. That does not a story make.

As a guy who doesn't really get to play many games because of a lack of funds, I find it rather hard to be straddled unnecessarily with such a burden of proof.  Story-telling has been around far longer than this year, and all the story-telling elements common in today's video gaming market have been around far longer than I can remember, albeit in other forms.  Simply analyzing the dialogue and paying attention to the tropes used however has lead me to the conclusion that, while the story might rely a bit too heavily on what has gone before it, it does not commit an err so grievous that one cannot enjoy it for what it is.  A reason to play a character, and to go kill demons, which are by their very nature, beings of pride and evil.

[Neonivek]

Compared to that story, Diablo 3 wins, hands down.

Having a lack of story is much different then having a bad story.

Torchlight doesn't have a bad story it just doesn't have much story.

Diablo 3 however does have lot of story and a lot of it is pretty bad (also oddly enough the first chapter has the best story... albiet really silly and mood killing)

As a guy who doesn't really get to play many games because of a lack of funds, I find it rather hard to be straddled unnecessarily with such a burden of proof

You are bringing up other games indirrectly. I simply asked you to fill in those gaps. Though if you do not have this example of a worse game then fine.

 

Simply analyzing the dialogue and paying attention to the tropes used however has lead me to the conclusion that, while the story might rely a bit too heavily on what has gone before it, it does not commit an err so grievous that one cannot enjoy it for what it is

The elements that go into a story are not what makes a story good. Do not let TVtropes fool you, in fact they themselves have said that tropes are neither good nor bad.

It is how they are executed that matters. It doesn't matter how many elements Diablo 3 creates, uses, or follows if those elements are mishandled or do not mix well.

it does not commit an err so grievous that one cannot enjoy it for what it is.

Then you simply settled. There is nothing wrong with settling.

[V-Norrec]

Perhaps it was asked earlier, but by what merits is the story bad?  What is the rubric of judgement?  Are you looking for a story filled with vast originality that defies all your expectations.  If that is the rubric, then yes, Diablo 3's story could be considered bad.

[Neonivek]

Perhaps it was asked earlier, but by what merits is the story bad?  What is the rubric of judgement?  Are you looking for a story filled with vast originality that defies all your expectations.  If that is the rubric, then yes, Diablo 3's story could be considered bad.

I am looking for a story that is coherant in itself that carries its own emotional resonance appropriately throughout. Events should flow organically from one another logically.

The story treats itself very seriously at times but doesn't carry that throughout the game. Betraying itself multiple times in basically B-plot crazyness and not as an aside.

Do you have a tragic character who shows the corruption and terror of the villain? He should show that (Ohhh... Leoric you really didn't get out of this game with your dignity). Do you have a plot twist you are preparing for? It should be handled with subty and tact instead of creating inconsistancies in it of itself.

There are just soo many plotholes too... Leoric I read the entire Diablo 1 manual and story, I played your game, I spoke to every single individual about you... Where the heck did you get that stuff? Humans don't turn into demons in this setting Leoric... you don't just hire demons.

Also Butcher how the heck are you still alive? Leoric had an excuse...