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[Astral]

Then again, some of you continually choose to keep playing, so maybe you are that gullible? *shrug*

I don't see anything wrong with playing a game if someone still enjoys it, regardless of whether you have a personal jihad against it or not.

I haven't played in well over a year, and I don't think I will again any time soon... and I am a bit dismayed at the current state of the game, but such venom in a post is bad for your health~

[Amante]

It's not venom as much as weary resignation; it's the kind of situation you can't help but laugh over, shaking your head at the absurdity of it all. HATE has a lot of good things going for it, but unfortunately, it has been more or less irrevocably broken. If you were actually there to witness the last two months (where things like the elected player mayor suiciding and quitting were regular daily occurrences)... let's just say you'd have a considerably different perspective.

Choosing to continue to play is a choice, I'll grant, but anyone would be hard pressed to say things are stable or going anywhere good. At this point, who knows how much longer HATE will even stay operational?

[Galick]

RIP BanMoo.

Your predecessor was my first MUD.  You die now, in a glory of rage and tears.  And then when you have not but an empty server with Benaron wanking in the corner, Mada will look upon you and say, "This is still a good game."

And then we will all laugh.

EDIT: And I'm honestly curious.  How the fuck is the game even fun for Benaron anymore?  All the fun when the game was cool was about doing ridiculous things and having corp wars.  The fun thing about the wars was that they were for the most part, even, or if not even then you at least had a chance in hell of escaping or weathering it.

Hell, the most fun I had when I played the game was when NDY was obsessively trying to grief me off with his abom thing back when I was Tiana.  Mainly because it was fucking ridiculous and a lot of fun poofing across the entire world and fighting eachother fucking -everywhere- when neither of us had a clear advantage most of the time.

[nuker w]

Just logged on to check it out, to find the glory of one player to two admins being the only people on.

Sadly, my requests of a DB release were completely ignored. Likely too busy hitting Benarooooon up for the next server payment.

[genmac]

RIP BanMoo.

Your predecessor was my first MUD.  You die now, in a glory of rage and tears.  And then when you have not but an empty server with Benaron wanking in the corner, Mada will look upon you and say, "This is still a good game."

And then we will all laugh.

EDIT: And I'm honestly curious.  How the fuck is the game even fun for Benaron anymore?  All the fun when the game was cool was about doing ridiculous things and having corp wars.  The fun thing about the wars was that they were for the most part, even, or if not even then you at least had a chance in hell of escaping or weathering it.

Hell, the most fun I had when I played the game was when NDY was obsessively trying to grief me off with his abom thing back when I was Tiana.  Mainly because it was fucking ridiculous and a lot of fun poofing across the entire world and fighting eachother fucking -everywhere- when neither of us had a clear advantage most of the time.

There are people who don't care about fun at all and never did.  These people more want a private sexmoo where a) they can roleplay their deviances without reproach and b) feel important.  There is a long story behind the Hellmoo -> Hatemoo (and the soon to be Hatemoo 2 split).  The three prime factors, are strange text people who's lives are ENTIRELY bound up in text power.  Mada was the ring leader for a long time on hellmoo, and collaborated with Alastor to abuse for quite a while until the split.  Eia is the third member, known as caw or heron on hatemoo, and currently "admins" on nine different MOOs.  The definition of admin these people have is probably the opposite of what most people think - they honestly believe that poring over player mails and logs, enforcing rules, and generally BOTHERING PEOPLE is their job.

Mada was the first to split, Alastor is next in line.  These three are in a wierd club and have all met in real life.  I can confidently predict another private sexmoo from Alastor's administration and I think we'll see a sale of the code when and if Eia steps in.  My own self thinks it is stupid and pointless to keep trying to make a better hellmoo that is 99% hellmoo (eg gilmore and co's work) with a few twists or bans, such as banning me for instance, which happened pre-emptively on hatemoo.  These people know my love for justice - and they aren't interested in fair administration or making games.  They really do want the text power.  It's mind boggling.  What do they gain?  Nothing that we, as outsiders can perceive - but I assure you in Mada's head, he really is on top of the world with his 2 players.

edit: oh and if anyone isn't aware, Mada IS benaron, a five time perma banned player on hellmoo.  Hatemoo is his private moo now and that was always the plan.

[TempAcc]

Thats either a massive troll or the utmost truth, either way suddenly things make a lot more sense, and I lol'd a bit more.

But yea, can't deny that I'll miss hellmoo. Before I would aways go back to it after quitting for months, it was aways fun in some way or another, now its sad to look back and see the only things left are carebear no fun moo and Mada's desert clone.

[Amante]

A lot of that lines up with what I've already heard from other sources (including people who know this clique IRL), so I can believe it. Mada being Benaron, though? I guess it's possible, but I always figured they were separate people. I suppose it would explain Mada's obsession over giving preferential treatment to blinds...

Seriously though, why is it so hard to get a semi-sane version of Hell running that isn't overrun by sexhavers or petty tyrants? The game has so much going for it (in any form, not to mention some of the improvements HATE had). It seems such a waste to have two versions of it up right now with neither of them being playable in the way they should. Here's to hoping that attempt #3 works out, I guess.

[TempAcc]

Here's hoping there will even be a 3rd attempt, but yea, hoping. I must admit I'm rather surprised, I aways expected mada to turn out to be a really weird and sad person, and aways knew benaron was a weird, sad blind person, but they being the same and knowing other admins IRL and actualy enjoying having text based power on virtual worlds..

Dang internets, you win this one, you can still surprise me.

[Kagus]

Seriously though, why is it so hard to get a semi-sane version of Hell running that isn't overrun by sexhavers or petty tyrants? The game has so much going for it (in any form, not to mention some of the improvements HATE had). It seems such a waste to have two versions of it up right now with neither of them being playable in the way they should. Here's to hoping that attempt #3 works out, I guess.

Now, see, I never really understood what the big deal was with sexhavers.  I mean, sure, it's creepy and oftentimes rather revolting, but it's not like they really hurt anybody else.  You could make the argument that they'd give new players a bad/wrong impression of the game, but really...  Anyone touchy enough to get their feathers ruffled by some explicit sext is probably not going to do all that well in the dirty, gritty, brutal world of Hell anyways.  Besides, picking on them has been a longstanding tradition.

As for the petty tyrants?  If we're talking players, sure they're annoying...  You can lose a lot of hard work to some random act of dickery from a guy who's been cheesing since before you were born.  And getting singled out for the brutal attentions of some almighty wanksmoothie is never exactly great fun (except for when it's done in a hilarious fashion, in which case it is).  I wound up as a whipping boy fairly often, thanks to my bizarre and proudly voiced opinions and my utter ineptitude at anything combat-oriented.  Can't say I particularly *liked* getting ganked like that, but I got used to it to the point of accepting it, and I eventually came to see it as a part of Hell, and something the game just wouldn't be the same without.

If you're talking about the petty administrator tyrants, then yes, I agree wholeheartedly.  That's the kind of absolute power that can be massively abused and you can't do a damned thing about it when it is.  *That* I don't like.

[Rakonas]

Sexhaver admins or petty tyrant admins are probably what he meant. Both are terrible, but the existence of players of either type give the game life. If it wasn't for sexhavers, there wouldn't be tales of screwing over sexhavers after being invited to sexhave, and if it wasn't for petty tyrants there wouldn't be half the fun of the game. The problem is not simply that the game is a magnet for players of both types, but that the adminbase is formed from the playerbase, which is composed significantly of petty tyrants and sexhavers.
But even if the admins weren't players, you'd then have another problem in that the admins might change things for the worse because they don't understand the players. Lastly, the players who are actually reasonable and could be just and fair admins are few and far between, and simply wouldn't end up being admins.
Personally I hope that the game ends up becoming open-source, and as much as I hate to say it, we'll all find paradise in the form of a Goon-hellmoo.

[Amante]

Now, see, I never really understood what the big deal was with sexhavers.  I mean, sure, it's creepy and oftentimes rather revolting, but it's not like they really hurt anybody else.  You could make the argument that they'd give new players a bad/wrong impression of the game, but really...  Anyone touchy enough to get their feathers ruffled by some explicit sext is probably not going to do all that well in the dirty, gritty, brutal world of Hell anyways.  Besides, picking on them has been a longstanding tradition.

As for the petty tyrants?  If we're talking players, sure they're annoying...  You can lose a lot of hard work to some random act of dickery from a guy who's been cheesing since before you were born.  And getting singled out for the brutal attentions of some almighty wanksmoothie is never exactly great fun (except for when it's done in a hilarious fashion, in which case it is).  I wound up as a whipping boy fairly often, thanks to my bizarre and proudly voiced opinions and my utter ineptitude at anything combat-oriented.  Can't say I particularly *liked* getting ganked like that, but I got used to it to the point of accepting it, and I eventually came to see it as a part of Hell, and something the game just wouldn't be the same without.

If you're talking about the petty administrator tyrants, then yes, I agree wholeheartedly.  That's the kind of absolute power that can be massively abused and you can't do a damned thing about it when it is.  *That* I don't like.

Honestly, I have no problem with the basic concept of people who want to "sexhab" their hearts out. It only starts to bother me when they want an entire game based on player interaction and PvP (such as Hell) toned down or neutered so they can do it. As you say, picking on those people (especially when certain ones make it easy) is one of the intrinsically hilarious parts of HellMOO. That it's now a safe, predictable haven for them to erotic RP in peace is rather depressing, given the game's history of unpredictable hilarity.

And yes, when I say petty tyrants, I mean admins who go drunk with their e-power. Mada is a shining example, but it is (sadly) rather common in these games in general.

[zombat]

Sexhabers were fun

Used to run around FC randomly trying to facefuck people to see who had allow sex from everyone turned on

Think I was the one responsible for getting chest busters probability nerfed to shit...

[Dirg]

Or the times everyone would flip the tv to that channel that was connected to that club as bombs and and a couple of players swarmed in to pry em' off eachother and fix em'.

[Ivefan]

The club was good for getting the porno job done, but staying longer than 10-20 seconds could be lethal

[beorn080]

Is it wrong that I both want and fear a Bay12 HellMOO. I KNOW that the Baystation 12/Goonstation 13 rivalry drove BOTH to much higher heights then either would have reached by themselves. It would be an interesting experiment, I think. Of course, Android Data would come along at some point, so there would be THAT fun to look forward to, but otherwise it would be interesting.