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Darvi

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Re: What's your favorite logical fallacy/tell a funny story thread
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2011, 08:01:36 am »

I'm pretty sure it means it was HP Lovecraft. Makes much more sense too.
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Re: What's your favorite logical fallacy/tell a funny story thread
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2011, 08:05:51 am »

Hewlett-Packard is the covertly behind Lovecraft, which means Scooby Doo ended the world as we know it.
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Re: What's your favorite logical fallacy/tell a funny story thread
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2011, 08:12:42 am »

Reductio ad Hitlerum or one of its many flavors. A particularly lovely case was one I witnessed happening to someone who was trying to calm down an angry IP editor in Wikipedia. I think it was related to the name or ownership of Macedonia - Wikipedians had established a consensus to call the country Macedonia because it was simpler and whatever reasons they had. The IP was repeatedly changing "Macedonia" to "Former Yugoslavic Republic of Macedonia", even in places where this was extremely inconventional, so one of those editors contacted him. I took a peek at the conversation (I love stalking Wikipedia arguments) and almost laughed my arse off for seeing a very stupid use of the Hitler clause... although invoked with another villain instead. It went along the lines of this:

IP: "Dear sir, I must ask you to stop changing the name of country to Macedonia it is ambiguous and the United Nations use the Former Yugoslavic Republic of Macedonia as well... only Americans like George Bush use just Macedonia. So let me change it."

User: "I'm sorry, but the issue has been discussed and consensus has been reached. Macedonia is a simpler name to use in most situations. The United Nations have no authority over Wikipedia, so we aren't obliged to follow their naming scheme."

IP: "THEN WHO HAS AUTHORITY OVER WIKIPEDIA?! GEORGE BUSH?"
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Re: What's your favorite logical fallacy/tell a funny story thread
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2011, 08:15:37 am »

Ooh, Godwin. I recently saw somebody do that to themselves. o_O
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Re: What's your favorite logical fallacy/tell a funny story thread
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2011, 08:16:50 am »

George Bush refers to the country as Macedonia.
Wikipedia refers to the country as Macedonia.
--> George Bush controls Wikipedia
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Re: What's your favorite logical fallacy/tell a funny story thread
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2011, 08:25:14 am »

Ooh, Godwin. I recently saw somebody do that to themselves. o_O

Godwin's Law isn't a fallacy, it's the probability of a longer thread to have Nazis mentioned.

Reductio Ad Hitlerum is the real fallacy most people refer to as "Godwin"ed.
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Re: What's your favorite logical fallacy/tell a funny story thread
« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2011, 08:26:24 am »

Sadly, that's an incredibly prevalent attitude- or perhaps it's just because I live in the Greekest part of the city with the third-largest Greek population in the world.

E: the Macedonia thing, that is. My Greek teacher insists that only northern Greeks are real Macedonians.
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Re: What's your favorite logical fallacy/tell a funny story thread
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2011, 08:35:00 am »

Yeah, I guess there's quite a lot of nationalist tension there. But what would your Greek teacher call the residents of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia? FYROMians?
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Re: What's your favorite logical fallacy/tell a funny story thread
« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2011, 10:55:21 am »

Yeah, I guess there's quite a lot of nationalist tension there. But what would your Greek teacher call the residents of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia? FYROMians?
What's wrong with the original Greek word for them, Barbarian? :P
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« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2011, 11:00:52 am »

I know a guy, who is ethnically Macedonian and insists that Macedonia is not Macedonia, it is Greece because they share so many cultural similarities.

He does this by insisting "I would know, I'm Macedonian."

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Re: What's your favorite logical fallacy/tell a funny story thread
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2011, 01:18:49 pm »

Here's a few that I made up.

You drink coffee. Communists drink coffee. Therefore, you are a Communist.
You are X race. History has recorded that Y's steal. Therefore, you are a thief.
(Politician's name) is a conservative. He/she is American. You are American, therefore you are a conservative.
Conservatives believe in the Bible. You are a conservative. Therefore you believe in the scripture.
You believe in the bible. The Westburo Baptist Church believes in the bible. Therefore, you are a member of their church.
They hate non-members. Blacks African-Americans aren't in their church. Therefore, you are a racist communist thief. Shame on you.
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Re: What's your favorite logical fallacy/tell a funny story thread
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2011, 01:26:05 pm »

These are, in order:

-Association fallacy
-Proof by example
-Again, association fallacy
-Four terms fallacy
-Ditto
-Insane Troll logic
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Re: What's your favorite logical fallacy/tell a funny story thread
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2011, 02:41:40 pm »

Actually the 4th one is completely valid logic if you're prepared to equate "Bible" with "scripture" (there might be some significance in those words I'm missing though).  The problem is that the first premise is untrue (and would have to be reached by association fallacy again).
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Re: What's your favorite logical fallacy/tell a funny story thread
« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2011, 02:48:02 pm »

Right. I guess that's more over-generalization then. Hmmm. Don't know the name of that fallacy though.
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Re: What's your favorite logical fallacy/tell a funny story thread
« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2011, 02:54:33 pm »

It's not a fallacy at all.  "All X's are Y.  You are X.  Therefore you are Y" works fine.  It's just that the first premise is completely wrong (and of course the other premise is obtained from a string of association fallacies).

Uh, that is if believing in the Bible is the same as believing in the scripture.  I think it is though for the purposes of the argument, since the next line goes back to "Bible".
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