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[Stworca]

I'm not going to LP Shogun 2 or Empire, i need something different. (I started Armenia let's play because i needed something different than BG2, and i started BG2 LP because i got tired of curbstomping people in.. well.. a broken MMO)

I'll start Morrowind one soon. With some insane rules and absolutely no power gaming. Sandbox mode.

@ Hyo.

All right, i'll try to run it on my stationary PC in a few days. (My laptop will most likely not handle that much cav WITH recording) unless i can go all screenshot on it?

[EmperorNuthulu]

Oh cool Dacia had scyles, who's often known to me as Scyles the conqueror. I imagine you slaughtered the guy easily though since it wasn't scyles the conqueror (I had him take out thrace, take over parts of greece, jump down to crete, then to libya and he started conquering Egypt for shits and giggles).

[Hyo]

I'm personally fine with it either way.

Also, if you feel that the scenario I have given you is too easy, feel free to restrain your budget even more, or add more armies against you. If I recall correctly, you can add more stacks to the AI's side by putting more armies in and putting them on the same team.

For jokes, I'd suggest 10k denarii and 4 full roman stacks, but that'd be too unwinnable, and we wouldn't see an enjoyable fight if it's overly one-sided. (Not to mention that the computer probably won't be able to handle it all.)

[EmperorNuthulu]

Or have a seleucid army with silver shield pikemen, legionnaires, cataphracts, companion cav, armoured elephants, scythed chariots and archers against you. while playing as spain of course XD.

[Stworca]

I imagine i'll go with this (ignore the "Carthage" icon, i was just previewing what army i might use)


49970 denarii.

Spoiler: Strategy Theory, may contain spoilers (click to show/hide)

Bulls will hold the line and javelin everyone who fights them (MASS javelin) with slingers doing exactly the same. Fanatics on warcry have good attack, perhaps we'll be able to cause a chain rout with that shock value. The armored general.. I actually might replace him with something else. All-infantry has its benefits.

1 vs multiple elite stacks as Spain is nigh impossible. The "Nigh" part covers 2 stacks that don't arrive at once. I actually won a 1v2 stacks battle against Urbans, on Normal though, as there is no VH in multiplayer 

Or have a seleucid army with silver shield pikemen, legionnaires, cataphracts, companion cav, armoured elephants, scythed chariots and archers against you. while playing as spain of course XD.

Post a build of 20 units (just not 20 armored elephants, the result of such battle is obvious) and we can give it a go.

[EmperorNuthulu]

This would have to be pretty high denarii since seleucid mega units are expensive.

x4 silver shield pikemen.
x4 silver shield legionnaires.
x2 armoured elephants
x3 cataphracts.
x3 companion cav.
x2 archers.
x2 scythed chariots.

 Distribute experience/armour and attack as you want.

[Hyo]

Hmm, a bull-warrior focused army, eh?

At any case, my Roman stack cost only around 160k, so if we're judging by the value of units, it should only be three times stronger than Stworca's units. Of course, three times is nothing special, in his case.

Still, the VH difficulty setting should make it interesting though.

At any case, as the AI has plenty of cavalry, it could always try to do a flanking motion against the slingers and cause a chain rout on your side

[Heron TSG]

You: 5000 Denarii (Or more. I've barely played this.)

Them:
15x War Dogs (HURRRRRR)
4x Naked Fanatics
1x The best general unit possible.

[Hyo]

If I recall correctly, war dogs only target 1 unit per battle, so it would be pretty easy to bait and make useless 3/4 of your forces with a cheap cavalry unit, Barbarossa .

Although the 5000 denarii limit is quite harsh, really. That's what, 4 bull warriors with a couple hundred left over?

[Heron TSG]

Note the 'HURRRRRR'. I just think it'd be funny as hell, not effective.

[Hanzoku]

Great replay! Those poor AIs never knew what hit them. I look forward to the Morrowind LP... and request a Europa 1400: The Guild LP after!

[NRDL]

Great replay! Those poor AIs never knew what hit them. I look forward to the Morrowind LP... and request a Europa 1400: The Guild LP after!

Seconded!

[Stworca]

Well, i have some results.

Spoiler: Praetorian Cav Army (click to show/hide)

Hyo's 167000 worth army (a bit too much) on VH. I made the Arcani a general unit, so that he is nigh impossible to kill early. (a slight difficulty increase)


Against my bulls/slingers


At Alpine Valley battlefield (where i start on the bottom..)


Result 1 (Proper attempt, no exploiting of AI dumbness.). I sticked to the left side, as there was a slight elevation, allowing my slingers to inflict some more damage. Made a few mistakes and so we lost. (chain rout when my general died)


I think it's doable, but would require a perfect plan (or exploiting AI tunnelvision, but we don't do that!) Overall it's far too strong army for Spanish 50k, due to nigh unbreakable morale.

Oh well. There, you can celebrate now

Overall the battle plan was sending my generals out, to split some roman cav, and gangbang on them with the generals, 4 fanatics and slinger fire. While Bulls were in a 2,5 line formation (2 lines mostly, 3 at some points) The fanatics have proven to be too weak against 9/3/3 Praetorians, and could only temporary rout them, with heavy loses.
The main battle was going nicely, but when fanatics and generals were finally slaughtered, the wave of fresh enemies turned the tide of battle, and so we lost our general.. After his death, every infantry flag turned white.
Our loses would be lower (despite the defeat) but one unit of slingers was standing unattacked for two minutes, allowing Romans to kill 1000+ fleeing Spaniards.
Perhaps there is a better way to organize the troops, and thus win, but i didn't come up with one

I just noticed, that it was Hyo and not Barbarossa who made this army. my bad!

[Dsarker]

Ah! Now we known Stworca's hidden weakness! To beat him, we only have to spend more than three times his money on troops!

[Stworca]

Ah! Now we known Stworca's hidden weakness! To beat him, we only have to spend more than three times his money on troops!

Well..

Spoiler: By exploiting the fact that the AI is retarded (click to show/hide)

A player would always win though. 9/3/3 Praetorian cav is worth mora than any 2 units in my army. (with the exception of the two 9/3/0 Bull Warriors combined)
I imagine that as Greece i would curbstomp the AI no matter their units. But as we all know Greece vs AI = Total Annihilation

By tempering with my fanatics I discovered that the experience bars are also adding bonuses to morale.
Experience bars > ALL

At any rate.. I can post a video of the DEFEAT, because in the second run i just used ultimate anti-AI tactics.
The defeat was the proper, clean attempt.

Or not. The decision is left to Hyo (it was his army after all)

Though the sooner we're done with RTW, the sooner we move to Morrowind