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Author Topic: Should PE stay in school programs?  (Read 6301 times)

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Re: Should PE stay in school programs?
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2011, 02:27:44 pm »

I ain't complaining about the morons(they all went away now because they know that they have no chances in Uni so they went to trade school). It is the stupid PE teacher.
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Re: Should PE stay in school programs?
« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2011, 02:28:03 pm »

A healthy body assists the creation of a healthy mind. They are linked together, if one suffers, the other faces consequences as well. I know you had a bad experience vagel, but you're letting that make you buy into stereotypes.
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Re: Should PE stay in school programs?
« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2011, 02:44:46 pm »

I think PE is pretty important. Around here it's mandatory until the final 2 years of highschool, at which point you generally get a lot more freedom in which classes you can take. Seems to be a decent system.

I played a few sports in highschool, but some people in my class wouldn't have gotten any other exercise if it wasn't for PE. That shit is important, don't tell me kids don't learn anything in PE, they learn how to stay fit. I do, however, think it would be good to fold it into Health education a bit more. So it's more "This is how you take care of your body" rather than "This is how you play Lacrosse". Also, PE should never, ever, include a unit on Dance. That is just cruel.

The OP seems to be complaining about his PE class specifically, and broadening those complaints to cover PE classes in general. I personally had a really bad History teacher, the class was full of idiots, and you don't actually need History for most jobs. Let's get rid of that too, eh?
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Re: Should PE stay in school programs?
« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2011, 02:49:43 pm »

That shit is important, don't tell me kids don't learn anything in PE, they learn how to stay fit.

In which classes? In plenty of my own phys-ed classes, especially in high school, barely anything was "taught" about anything, at all. There was very little learning involved, and certainly very little direction to it. I understand this is not always the case, but it often is.

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I do, however, think it would be good to fold it into Health education a bit more. So it's more "This is how you take care of your body" rather than "This is how you play Lacrosse". Also, PE should never, ever, include a unit on Dance. That is just cruel.

Agreed... on both points. Why we had a square dancing unit in my high school phys-ed class is beyond me.

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The OP seems to be complaining about his PE class specifically, and broadening those complaints to cover PE classes in general. I personally had a really bad History teacher, the class was full of idiots, and you don't actually need History for most jobs. Let's get rid of that too, eh?

Agreed again, except I think the way phys-ed is handled encourages those stereotypes to exist. I certainly don't think it should be eliminated, but it should possibly be handled differently.
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Re: Should PE stay in school programs?
« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2011, 02:54:02 pm »

Also, PE should never, ever, include a unit on Dance. That is just cruel.
Dancing was/is actually one of the few fun forms of school PE.  :P

Mostly because I suck at every game involving a ball/puck/something similar. Running and the like was/is also cool. Here in Finland PE is compulsory and lasts whole year from classes 1-9. Then in high school you have two compulsory courses (three hours a week for half year) and plenty voluntary courses.

Also about dancing: next year at high school, we have traditional ball (which however is voluntary), which means we must first dance in front of whole high school, junior high school and primary school. Then later at evening in front of parents/relatives/whoever chooses to come there. Wikipedia page about it.
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Re: Should PE stay in school programs?
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2011, 02:54:49 pm »

I hated PE, but its probably a good thing to keep.  Grading it seems vaguely pointless though.

I think high school needs a "Life Skills" section though, because I learned nothing about those from either school or my parents.   :P
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« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2011, 03:04:24 pm »

Jeez, P.E. classes in America seem lackluster. Or maybe I'm missing something? P.E. at our school is rather more in-depth. Maybe it's actually the exception to the rule in Australia too, I dunno.

Anyway, here's what goes on:
  • Sports and physical activity (natch) which improve hand-eye co-ordination, give people a good grounding in popular sports games, and is generally fun (bike rides! Tennis! Croquet for some reason!)
  • Actual education about the physical side of things. Like, in a classroom. In-depth study into the human body, with an emphasis on how it works and how to maximize your potential through healthy eating, exercising, what have you. Which bits of your body do what when, why, and so on.
  • Sex Ed, too, and that involved a noticeable lack of giggling. Seriously, I was shocked.

I was always under the impression that apart from getting students active a few times a week (Australia is fatter than America, per capita, something that is actually really shameful to know) it also gives people an in-depth understanding of the human body and fitness. It's compulsory up until the final two years, where you start working towards your certificate of education (the VCE years, I don't know what the parallel is outside of Australia. Or the state, for that matter. I guess it'd be QCE for Queensland, BCE for Brisbane or something like that) and choose subjects that will shape your University studies, or you go into a trade course and look to get into that industry.

Either way, I am glad to have done P.E. for as long as I did, even if I didn't enjoy it all the time. Hell, I joined a gym because of it. Sounds like you're just having a bad time of it, especially since half your post isn't complaining about the subject but about the fact you have a bad teacher.
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« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2011, 03:07:34 pm »

I have to agree on the classes that teach basic life skills... and I applaud the one phys ed class that had mandatory swimming lessons. Sadly it seems most physical education classes are more about letting the hamsters run around on a wheel for half an hour than they are about actually teaching anything. I can recall a month where all we did was play golf for around forty five minutes. [sarcasm] Which as you can imagine; totally helped teach us good exercise habits. [/sarcasm]

If they cut out all the vague crap and based your grade on wether or not you showed up and at least attempted to do whatever it was it'd be great. Instead of running you around nonstop for half an hour every couple months and being dumbfounded that you didn't get better after six weeks of volleyball. -.-;

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Re: Should PE stay in school programs?
« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2011, 03:13:18 pm »

We have mandatory swimming lessons here too. Aaalso I think I vaguely remember that those are actually seperate classes depending on which year the students are.
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Re: Should PE stay in school programs?
« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2011, 03:16:22 pm »

 A basic life skills class is a brilliant idea that they should seriously implement. I mean most parents are too busy now to teach people these things, so how else are we going to learn? Do they think we'll suddenly all just go "Eureka, I now know how to be not ballsingly stupid at life skills"?

 Also, we had swimming lessons in what I think for us would be Elementary school, once a week.
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Re: Should PE stay in school programs?
« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2011, 03:17:32 pm »

  • Actual education about the physical side of things. Like, in a classroom. In-depth study into the human body, with an emphasis on how it works and how to maximize your potential through healthy eating, exercising, what have you. Which bits of your body do what when, why, and so on.
  • Sex Ed, too, and that involved a noticeable lack of giggling. Seriously, I was shocked.

We do some level of sex ed and "health" classes here too, but it's usually treated as semi-distinct from PE. Often, the same teachers will do it, or it'll be done instead of PE for a while (in my case, during certain years of high school we alternated between "health" and "phys-ed" every quarter or semester of the year).
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Re: Should PE stay in school programs?
« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2011, 03:19:06 pm »

I think physical education is -definitely- important, but the way it's currently handled is pretty damn sad.

Growing up, my PE 'classes' consisted of running around, basic stretches, and on more that one occasion, being forced to fucking squaredance.

Now, once I got into High School, my options had opened up. I took up weight training, and once I actually got into it I -loved- it. All of the classes had decent coaches, many professional teachers or former athletes. We learned dietary needs with some basis for individual body chemistry, proper lifting techniques to avoid injury, how to push limits safely, etc.

Now, if all PE classes were handled by professionals who actually -taught- skills rather than blew on a goddamn whistle and yelled out non-motivational shit, I think we'd be better off.
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Re: Should PE stay in school programs?
« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2011, 03:20:16 pm »

By teaching people teamwork, fair play, and how not to be a sore loser and stuff.
Sorry, I burst out laughing reading this.  PE always seemed to consist of nothing but bad teamwork ("It's all your fault!"), dirty play (or accusations of dirty play) and sore losing.  PE would need to be handled very differently in order to teach these things rather than just give people a chance to not do them every week.
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« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2011, 03:22:28 pm »

PE is required because they want you to be healthy active people.

It has nothing to do with ANYTHING ELSE!

Not teamwork, not sportsmenship, no no no.
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« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2011, 03:28:36 pm »

  • Actual education about the physical side of things. Like, in a classroom. In-depth study into the human body, with an emphasis on how it works and how to maximize your potential through healthy eating, exercising, what have you. Which bits of your body do what when, why, and so on.
  • Sex Ed, too, and that involved a noticeable lack of giggling. Seriously, I was shocked.

We do some level of sex ed and "health" classes here too, but it's usually treated as semi-distinct from PE. Often, the same teachers will do it, or it'll be done instead of PE for a while (in my case, during certain years of high school we alternated between "health" and "phys-ed" every quarter or semester of the year).
We had, I think, a ratio of 3 games classes to 2 theory classes every two weeks. When you take it as a VCE subject it becomes mostly theory, and the classes both fall under P.E. and are taught by the same teacher, so we don't have dumb P.E. teachers.
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