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[puke]

i picked up a few chunks of raw adamantine ore in adventure mode.  when i looked at my inventory, it displayed as galena.  when i dropped it, it was galena.  very strange.

[Toady One]

did you kill the demon in that map?  since you can't send dwarves there anyway, I wanted to make it all tragic.

[ May 24, 2007: Message edited by: Toady One ]

[Heliopios]

Yeah, when the demon dies all un-mined adamantine, and ore turns into silver, but the wafers and any items made stay as adamantine.

[puke]

wow, thats awesome.  yeah, i did kill the demon.  then i died as 5 troglydites and 10 giant rats mobbed me on the way out.

i notice that most major monsters get into some smack-talk before the fight, describing how it killed your companions or previous adventurers.  but the demon does not?

also, how does that dwarf civ get a new capitol and a new king?

[Heliopios]

quote:Originally posted by puke:
<STRONG>wow, thats awesome.  yeah, i did kill the demon.  then i died as 5 troglydites and 10 giant rats mobbed me on the way out.

i notice that most major monsters get into some smack-talk before the fight, describing how it killed your companions or previous adventurers.  but the demon does not?

also, how does that dwarf civ get a new capitol and a new king?</STRONG>

Obvious, they send out seven unskilled pesants and trust the fate of the county to them.

[ricemastah]

Its weird... but when I try to find the demon after I demon a fortress I can't seem to find him. Is there someplace I should look?

[Heliopios]

quote:Originally posted by ricemastah:
<STRONG>Its weird... but when I try to find the demon after I demon a fortress I can't seem to find him. Is there someplace I should look?</STRONG>

Stupid bastards always fall into a chasm of some sort.

[puke]

well, you can avoid chasming your demons if you build your fort safely.  i built bridges with saftey rails over the chasm, before deeping the fort.

i think - not sure here, but i think - they start from the adamantine chasm and work their way out.  i met mine by going straight in from the enterance and heading for the back.  ran in to him between the chasm and the magma river, maybe 2/3s of the way to the magma.

the longer you wander around the map, the longer the demon would have to stroll off the beaten path.

also, sometimes it helps not to sneak.  i looked all over a cave to find a giant, but we were both sneaking and we never found each other.  i stopped sneaking, and almost instantly he popped out.

[Keilden]

A group of seven adventurers made it inot the fortress befor you. Their wizard duked out with him on a bridge over the chasm. The bridge broak and both fall down. Thats why you can't find him.

[Skyrage]

Har har - original

[Sean Mirrsen]

Speaking of which.

Would it be possible to have caves - or fortresses - that span several world map blocks, with entrances on either side, so as to pass under the mountains in adventure mode?
If it is possible, I'm definetly building a Moria MkII in the next release.

[Toady One]

The "deep" outposts thing is an idea for later.  Certainly can't have that much loaded at once, but I want to do connections in some way or another.  There's a thread somewhere.

[Sean Mirrsen]

I think you should do it the rough way first (if you ever do do it), 'simply' loading more of the world into memory. A slight performance increase would come from not loading ground layers your people don't have access to.

I really can't think of a system that would fully emulate the creatures in your environment, for off-block behavior optimisation, except if you are able to set up paths and sequences for orders that would get generated once you load the block. You probably thought of that yourself, but I'll still explain. If you know at roughly what time will an action be completed (you can calculate it from the skills of the dwarf(es) available for the task in the block, and the position of the task in the order sequence), you wouldn't really need to run constant updating of the dwarves in the block. It's kind of a meta-sim state, that would only need updating once a few seconds unlike the constant update of the full sim. Once the user loads the block with a meta-sim state running, the meta-sim runs the RNG for all appropriate actions, gets the timers to account for completed actions, and alters the block in accordance with results it got, giving names for images and artifacts, destroying mined walls and gathered plants, positioning the dwarves according to where they would most probably end up with their task.

It's probably quite unlike what you are planning for your project (and is probably barely viable), but I just wanted to share my thoughts.

[Keiseth]

Just a thought, but I think if you can find that Super-Demon in the unit files, you should be able to make it a flyer without having to regenerate your world; should be impossible for  it to get chasmed, then. XD

I haven't tried yet though, hopefully somebody else can detail the procedure.

[Toady One]

It's already a flier.  That doesn't stopping it from doing silly things.  I think it once chasm'd itself by jumping on the ground to walk by a hidden batman on a chasm squares (any grounded unit has [FLIER] turned off right now).  The demon's just not ready for prime time -- the "too deep" ending was to maintain its dignity as much as anything.