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[BigFatStupidHead]

It has even spawned mods to specifically neutralize it, such as Stillbetterthanspyware.

[BigD145]

Supposedly some mods won't work if you delete modstats from within them. That's the shadiest bit.

[Greiger]

Looking at the OP for the mod thread it only gathers information relavent to KSP.  As long as it's only gathering that information (as well as an IP address of course communicating with the server) I see no issue with it.

Privacy is important but what part of this is actually violating anything important to privacy?  How long I've played KSP this session?  Who cares?  What mods I'm running? So what?  How many times the game crashed? Oh noes...  My IP address? If yer worried about that getting out better take out your network card altogether...

[LordSlowpoke]

wow get out

i bet you support the nsa too

this whole shit would be fine if it was actually opt-in like you know things that are not fucking illegal

[Karkov]

Looking at the OP for the mod thread it only gathers information relavent to KSP.  As long as it's only gathering that information (as well as an IP address of course communicating with the server) I see no issue with it.

Privacy is important but what part of this is actually violating anything important to privacy?  How long I've played KSP this session?  Who cares?  What mods I'm running? So what?  How many times the game crashed? Oh noes...  My IP address? If yer worried about that getting out better take out your network card altogether...

That's actually one of the reasons I said I wouldn't rant on this.  It wouldn't be too much of a change for it to start grabbing other stuff from your computer without your permission.  I could really go into detail about why this mod could be a bad thing, but I just want to read stuff about people sending little green dudes to an asteroid at the speed of Kraken.

[Greiger]

wow get out

i bet you support the nsa too

this whole shit would be fine if it was actually opt-in like you know things that are not fucking illegal

Better stop using bay 12 then, it logs your IP and there isn't even an opt out option.

Are you seriously concerned that mods are coming bundled with a tool for modders that reports crashes and what mods you are using in conjunction with others?  I only see good things coming from this as modders improve support between mods for things commonly used together.

Unless there is some horrible thing going on behind the scenes here that is not being openly said, I see only good things with this.

If it changes to grab other things?  Yea that's different, but then it would be right to be opposed to it, I would too.  But not all data collection is bad for users.  I think this is one of the good ones.

[LordSlowpoke]

actually there is an opt-out option and i've been using it for a couple years now thank you very much

and no, "good data collection" and "not asking for user's consent" do not mix ever

i guess that's just american mentality speaking, boo hoo you want privacy in the modern world go live in a cave

spoiler alert there's a lot of privacy to be had here and i value it, though you won't see me slamming steam's hardware stats or things of that variety because they bloody well asked me whenever i want to give them that data

[Greiger]

Know what?  Screw it, I'm not continuing this.

[LordSlowpoke]

...if you're actually being told modstats is being used, why the seven pages worth of crap on the sbts page

it's pretty prominent on the far plugin thread page thing too vOv

gg holding up ksp forums to the same standard as bay12 but still

And yes, quite a bit of technology does necessitate a loss of privacy, want a GPS? Well better come to terms that somebody at the supplying company could see where your tracker is located if it was on and they felt it was important enough.  Want a cell phone?  Again somebody at the supplying company could track your phone if they felt it was necessary.  Just because it may be illegal somewhere doesn't mean it can't be done.

this argument was based on the part where people seemingly were not told that modstats is bundled

nobody's forcing a gps on you, and apparently nobody's forcing modstats on you either (but gl disabling it now that the plugin designed to do so is going down the gutter)

and wow this somewhere is quite a large area you know

but this derail is now pointless and you can feel free to move it someplace else if you want to continue talking about it

[miauw62]

It'd be fine if people knew it was there and could opt-in, but it was forced on them.

[BigFatStupidHead]

Umm... yikes. Sorry about that, I didn't mean to start a !storm!. Let's forget I ever mentioned it and avert a tantrum spiral here too, okay?

You know what's cool? Shooting little green men into space!

[TheBronzePickle]

I like shooting little green men into space, but I'm still not very good at it.

I've run into a bit of an issue before where I've acquired most of the available data from my local system and, through a combination of poor knowledge and skills and even worse spending choices, I could not advance myself further along technologically because I was incapable of making the transfer to another planet. Hopefully the new version, with the greater opportunities it grants for research gathering, will help me get past my barrier this time.

[Sean Mirrsen]

I like shooting little green men into space, but I'm still not very good at it.

I've run into a bit of an issue before where I've acquired most of the available data from my local system and, through a combination of poor knowledge and skills and even worse spending choices, I could not advance myself further along technologically because I was incapable of making the transfer to another planet. Hopefully the new version, with the greater opportunities it grants for research gathering, will help me get past my barrier this time.

It doesn't so much grant better opportunities for research gathering, as it lets you earn research through easier means. I was able to jumpstart my research at one point by doing a patently meaningless (from a classic KSP standpoint) flight with a hilariously stupid rocket, just so I could fulfill two part testing contracts in one go and get some extra science points to unlock a node.

[TheBronzePickle]

I suppose I could have worded it better, yes.

I do confess to doing something similar, though. I suppose it helps to encourage people to think outside the box and try new things rather than going for the mundane and proven repeatedly.

[Sean Mirrsen]

New NFT ship project: Experimental Tylo expedition vessel. So far came up with this:


(not inspired by any Austin Powers movie)

Decent dV, and that's at maximum thrust with all engines. If it switches to only VASIMRs, and goes to maximum efficiency with those, it ends up with...

...enough to fly around the whole Kerbol system a few times.

I gotta see if it really has enough staying power at maximum thrust to land at Tylo though. It really doesn't seem like it at first glance... so I'm kind of skeptical for now.