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Re: Bizarre and/or Disgusting Foods
« Reply #150 on: July 12, 2011, 04:35:48 pm »

I believe most of the non-traditional soy sauce here uses acid-hydrolyzed soy protein.

Then I suggested not to ingest them often. It's been tested that certain amount of synthetic ones (with certain chemical in it) can lead to cancers. And the real traditional ones I believe will specifically labelled that it used 麴 fermenting bacteria, since it's quite expensive. (But I guess even the one label as traditional, may in fact be hybrid in foreign market since importing has extra costs as well)

In the US, you can generally tell by looking at the ingredients, because ingredient labels have to specify if the stuff contains hydrolyzed proteins.


EDIT: Apparently that doesn't tell the full story. According to the linked FDA article, hydrolyzed protein isn't listed in the ingredients if the acid is added directly to the starting materials (e.g. soybeans), as opposed to adding the hydrolyzed protein itself as an added ingredient.
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Re: Bizarre and/or Disgusting Foods
« Reply #151 on: July 12, 2011, 04:58:13 pm »

So is curds... why are those on the first post?

Unfortunately, cheese curds are typically only available near cheese factories, so a startling number of people have no clue what they are.  My family comes from Wisconsin, widely regarded in the U.S. as THE dairy state, and people who live in Wisconsin are often referred to as "Cheese Heads".  So every time I visit, I make a point of buying several bags of the stuff direct from a factory.

I've lived most of my life in Indiana, which has almost no cheese factories.  Very few people here have ever heard of cheese curds (until I introduce them).  When I mention it, they'll immediately assume that I'm just eating rotten cheese and get all grossed out.  That's why I mentioned it in the first post.  It's definitely not a bizarre or disgusting food, but most people where I live will believe that it is.

This has been changing over the last few years, since Culvers restaurants began spreading further south.  They serve fried cheese curds that, in my opinion, have absolutely nothing in common with the curds I've grown up eating.  So in just the last few years, the common response has changed to "Oh those things at Culvers?  Yeah, I love those!" and I can only tell them that they have no idea.

Cheese curds are one of only two foods that I actually get excited about eating.  While they are delicious, it's more likely because they've only been available to me on special occassions my entire life -- almost exclusively when visiting relatives after a 6-8 hour road trip.

The other food I get excited about is anything really spicy.  I also mentioned an Indian curry that made my nose bleed... I was in agony and I loved it.  This is likely because my sense of taste is so weak.  I've only begun figuring this out recently, as so many people I know are obsessed with food.  They put all kinds of emotional energy into thinking about the things they're planning to eat, and then they can have in-depth conversations with each other about it later.  After being confused by other people's attitudes about food for so long, I finally began noticing that I can't even tell the differences between most things that they can, and I am completely unaware of most of the details that they obsess over.  I've always known I have a weak sense of smell, and when I began thinking about this, I realized it makes a lot of sense since the two senses are linked.  It doesn't bother me though.  I see my condition as having plenty of advantages.


Correlation =/= Causation

I have to say, I get tired of seeing this repeated on the internet.

Yes, it's technically true and should always be kept in mind.  This doesn't mean correlation isn't a useful observation, that everyone who makes a note of it is claiming causation, or that it isn't a legitimate basis for decision making, especially when knowledge is incomplete and actual causation is unknown.


There's definitely more and more research showing that the "all germs are BAD! use antibacterial everything!" attitude of the last 50 years or so has gone too far. While there's a lot less tetanus and tapeworms and such now, there's also a much higher rate of allergies and auto-immune disorders. One theory is that our immune systems evolved to be fairly aggressive, and we've removed so many things for it to fight that it's picking fights where there should be none--causing massive histamine reactions over non-threats or causing lymphocytes to attack one's own healthy tissue.

While I don't know about the second half of this, I definitely believe that our immune systems need exercise like any other part of our body.  Our body only works to maintain what seems necessary.  If we don't use something, it atrophies.

I think this is especially the case with our immune systems, since we're supposed to be constantly coming into contact with very limited samples of whatever nasty stuff is in our environment.  Our immune system should be getting frequent opportunities to study and bolster defenses against this stuff, so that when we actually come into contact with something dangerous, it's already prepared.  If we never touch anything that isn't disinfected to oblivion, then our immune system will have no fucking clue what's going on when actually presented with a challenge.  This really seems like common sense to me, but it's amazing how many people don't believe it.

This is supported by massive amounts of anecdote.  I know a few people who grew up in/maintain sterile environments, and they're constantly sick.  Some doctors have even gone so far as stating that eating your own snot is healthy, since particles and organisms from your environment collect in your nose in very small quantities and organisms grow weak or die there.  So eating it is essentially a primitive form of vaccination, where you are injected with small amounts of weakened disease that don't pose a threat of making you sick, but give your body a chance to process them and form defenses.



BTW, I'm learning a lot from this thread.  I honestly didn't expect there to be so many interesting foods that I'd never heard about before, and some of them do indeed rival casu marzu and hakarl as bizzare or disgusting, in my opinion... which is awesome :D
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Re: Bizarre and/or Disgusting Foods
« Reply #152 on: July 12, 2011, 05:02:23 pm »

I really don't get why people think cheese curds are weird, or why fermented milk (or yogurt) is weird. If you eat cheese, you're eating fermented milk... at least for many types of cheese. And if you eat cheese at all, you're probably eating curds too; what else would it be made from? Most cheeses begin with separation of the curd from the whey, and the whey (usually) being discarded or used for something else.
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Re: Bizarre and/or Disgusting Foods
« Reply #153 on: July 12, 2011, 05:03:03 pm »

Curd... is that the clumpy white stuff?
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« Reply #154 on: July 12, 2011, 05:06:07 pm »

I really don't get why people think cheese curds are weird, or why fermented milk (or yogurt) is weird. If you eat cheese, you're eating fermented milk... at least for many types of cheese. And if you eat cheese at all, you're probably eating curds too; what else would it be made from? Most cheeses begin with separation of the curd from the whey, and the whey (usually) being discarded or used for something else.

And why aren't more people grossed out by milk, anyway?  You would think they would be if they're grossed out by so many other things.  It's like breastfeeding from another species... except the breastmilk has been seperated from its source for days.
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« Reply #155 on: July 12, 2011, 05:07:09 pm »

Yeah, the whey being the liquid portion of the milk. I believe curds end up containing most of the fat and protein from the milk.

How the curd is handled, what kind of souring/curdling process is used to begin with, how it's flavored or aged, and a bunch of other factors determine the flavor and texture the cheese winds up having.

And why aren't more people grossed out by milk, anyway?  You would think they would be if they're grossed out by so many other things.  It's like breastfeeding from another species... except the breastmilk has been seperated from its source for days.

I don't see why someone would be grossed out by milk if they aren't grossed out by meat. I mean, if you don't think it's weird to forcibly take body parts from an animal, leave them out for a while, then cook and eat them, why think it's weird to eat the one thing that comes out of them that was actually meant to be eaten?
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Re: Bizarre and/or Disgusting Foods
« Reply #156 on: July 12, 2011, 05:07:40 pm »

Why do you think I don't drink milk? :V
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« Reply #157 on: July 12, 2011, 05:13:55 pm »

Well given that Milk has been around for thousands of years... I'd think humans would have acclimated to it somewhat.
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« Reply #158 on: July 12, 2011, 05:21:23 pm »

Why do you think I don't drink milk? :V

Beats me. I don't see anything weird about it. Seriously, it's one of the few things humans eat that is actually meant to be eaten by the thing that produces it. Well, except some fruits and things we've modified ourselves, I guess.

Well given that Milk has been around for thousands of years... I'd think humans would have acclimated to it somewhat.

That's obviously the case, or else we'd all be lactose-intolerant as adults. That's an acquired trait over the millennia, which is why some ethnicities have a very low incidence of it.
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Re: Bizarre and/or Disgusting Foods
« Reply #159 on: July 12, 2011, 05:22:29 pm »

I just don't like the taste  :P

With oranges or chocolate it's fine :V
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« Reply #160 on: July 12, 2011, 05:25:48 pm »

I really dont know.  Milk kind of grosses me out.  I don't have a terrible aversion to it.  I'll eat cereal with milk occassionally, and don't care if it's used as an ingredient in other foods.... the same way I don't mind if a steak is a little bit bloody, but I don't think I could ever get myself to drink blood. 

Yeah, it's an animal product that is actually biologically intended to be food... for the young of that species.  I think most people have an aversion to adults drinking human breast milk, but it's acceptable to drink the breast milk of another species?  Milk's place in our culture just strikes me as really odd, and once I started thinking about that, I couldn't stop  :-\

The logical excuse that it's not objectively different from eating any other part of an animal is what keeps me from avoiding it entirely.  I know that someone is going to point out cheese/yogurt/etc as a dairy product, but I guess that doesn't bother me because it's gone through enough processes to be considerably different and unrecognizable from what it originally was.

Well given that Milk has been around for thousands of years... I'd think humans would have acclimated to it somewhat.

I've heard a lot of debate over this actually, and many claims that the dairy industry has been guilty of tons of misleading propaganda over the last few decades.
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« Reply #161 on: July 12, 2011, 05:29:59 pm »

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many claims that the dairy industry has been guilty of tons of misleading propaganda over the last few decades

Ohh they have.

Though you sure it was about how old milk actually is? I didn't think they could affect that.

How safe milk is, how much hormones they actually put inside, the actual benefits of milk, how many servings of dairy would should have in a day... They could reasonably manipulate.

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The limitation is that milk cannot replace meals because it isn't made to be part of our balanced diet like it would for an infant.

It would be nutritionally limiting. Besides what do you think is... well... in milk?
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« Reply #162 on: July 12, 2011, 05:31:14 pm »

I thought that was the cereal industry with the misleading propaganda?

Also, has anybody mentioned insects yet?
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« Reply #163 on: July 12, 2011, 05:31:37 pm »

Haggis is so goddamn delicious.
My family has it every year on Robbie Burns Day, along with roast beef and mashed potatoes. We have to buy it from a specialty British food shop. I look forward to it every year...

As far as I know you don't actually eat the casing (stomach or artificial) so I've never understood what the big deal about that was. You just slice it open and then scoop the deliciousness onto your plate.
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« Reply #164 on: July 12, 2011, 05:32:25 pm »

I really dont know.  Milk kind of grosses me out.  I don't have a terrible aversion to it.  I'll eat cereal with milk occassionally, and don't care if it's used as an ingredient in other foods.... the same way I don't mind if a steak is a little bit bloody, but I don't think I could ever get myself to drink blood.

There is no blood in steak. The redness comes from myoglobin, which is an oxygen-binding protein. It's similar to hemoglobin, but there's no blood involved.

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Yeah, it's an animal product that is actually biologically intended to be food... for the young of that species.  I think most people have an aversion to adults drinking human breast milk, but it's acceptable to drink the breast milk of another species?  Milk's place in our culture just strikes me as really odd, and once I started thinking about that, I couldn't stop  :-\

Why is "intended to be food for a different mammalian species" somehow weirder than "not intended to be food at all"? I really don't get that logic. If you're going to use "it's not made for us" as an excuse, then you'd have to say the same about pineapples, or coconuts, or potatoes.

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I've heard a lot of debate over this actually, and many claims that the dairy industry has been guilty of tons of misleading propaganda over the last few decades.

It probably is, but the fact remains that humans have developed tolerance to lactose as a result of relying on dairy as a food source. If you check the demographic statistics, it's much more common in areas of the world where dairy wasn't traditionally consumed (see: Native Americans, East Asians). Of course, I'm not sure how much of that is genetic, but there very clearly is a genetic component.
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