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Author Topic: What's the secret to a long lasting fort?  (Read 5722 times)

Nameless Archon

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Re: What's the secret to a long lasting fort?
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2011, 04:02:29 pm »

I end up having WAY too many migrants than I know what to do with
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I quickly run out of space (favouring a linear fortress, rather than hundreds of z-levels to cope)
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I can't find magma/bring it to the surface...
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Re: What's the secret to a long lasting fort?
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2011, 04:34:42 pm »

Learn to love the caverns. Build all your residences into the cavern walls, and add windows so they can look out. Have your animals graze on cave moss in front. Don't wall yourself entirely off. Leave some openings, and station guards. I tend to build my forts into the caverns right away. Bring two miners and two axedwarves, and strike the earth!
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Re: What's the secret to a long lasting fort?
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2011, 05:57:47 pm »

or just enlist them all in the militia and send them to their death/glory against cave creatures. Those that survive proving their worth.


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Yes pretty much  8). Once Food production is running in excess. Unless they are an armor or weapon-smith or like a weapon or armor piece they get conscripted. The nice side bonus is it justifies me building mahooosive mausoleum/catacomb levels to house those that die coffins.
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Re: What's the secret to a long lasting fort?
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2011, 07:02:23 pm »

You might need a pop pap.  120 is a sane value.  Plenty of bodies for the military after filling every labor role.

Lectorog has given you life saving advice too.  Use the Therapist :)
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Re: What's the secret to a long lasting fort?
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2011, 07:27:32 pm »

I disagree on the farming issue.
1 legendary grower is better than several novice growers, in my opinion. More efficient use of land and seeds.

Better to put "useless" migrants to work on a job where skill has no impact on quality. For example milling, threshing, potash making, wood burning, etc.

Got to Agree with Mushroo.  1 good farmer per 60 dwarves.  Much better.  A good farm with a 3x3 farm can feed 60 dwarves with ease.  a 5x5 farm with a good farmer can feed a nation (together with standard cat/dog/imigrant animals meat).  An no, I have never used lye. 

That said, I tend to pop cap at 20 or 60.  Just to put the pressure on.  With 20 you have almost enough people to have a real fort.  With 60 my machine can still run fine.  When I do go to 200, things get slow, and that is what usually kills my long lasting forts...
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Re: What's the secret to a long lasting fort?
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2011, 09:27:22 pm »

One of the biggest tips to succeed is to think of minimizing FPS from the start.

Another one is to stop making mugs as trade crafts after the first year. You will want less items after a few years, and crafts will be more than enough. Even then, you will want to occasionally retire your stone crafters to hauling goblinite, and do your best trading off the surplus. Too many items  causes lag, so don't strip mine and a-smash your spare stone. And build your crafts stockpile and crafts workshop right next to the trade depot.
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Re: What's the secret to a long lasting fort?
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2011, 05:50:21 am »

Good planning and experience. Every time a fort falls you should learn something new and the next time it shouldn't be a problem. Once you are sufficiently experienced to keep forts going on fps is the only enemy.

My current fort is 14 years with fps of 30-40.
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Re: What's the secret to a long lasting fort?
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2011, 08:32:27 am »

Admittedly I am a bit of a newbie, but I only ever make it to 3 years before my fort descends into utter chaos.

I end up having WAY too many migrants than I know what to do with, I quickly run out of space (favouring a linear fortress, rather than hundreds of z-levels to cope), I can't find magma/bring it to the surface... and because of all this I'm quickly running out of patience, Task Manager close, cry and then come back.


HELP!


(the crying was a joke... really. Honestly.)

If migrants pose a problem, you can always send unneeded or useless dwarves to the drawbridge of death as soon as they arrive. And Dwarf Therapist really helps as well.
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Re: What's the secret to a long lasting fort?
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2011, 09:11:40 am »

I'll never understand why people insist on murdering migrants instead of simply lowering the population cap in d_init. Sigh.
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Re: What's the secret to a long lasting fort?
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2011, 09:27:31 am »

I'll never understand why people insist on murdering migrants instead of simply lowering the population cap in d_init. Sigh.

Don't get it wrong, migrants can be useful. Skilled armorers or even bone carvers will receive a permission to enter the fortress. But all those beekeepers and cheese makers are to be disposed of before they'll even get a chance to befriend everyone. That is perfectly justified.
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GreatWyrmGold

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Re: What's the secret to a long lasting fort?
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2011, 08:23:44 pm »

Except for destroying the clothes. My, is that wasteful. Just drop them a few hundred feet.
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Re: What's the secret to a long lasting fort?
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2011, 08:38:57 pm »

I'll never understand why people insist on murdering migrants instead of simply lowering the population cap in d_init. Sigh.

Don't get it wrong, migrants can be useful. Skilled armorers or even bone carvers will receive a permission to enter the fortress. But all those beekeepers and cheese makers are to be disposed of before they'll even get a chance to befriend everyone. That is perfectly justified.

They can still carry arms. Or rocks for that matter. In my 60 dwarf fortress I only have 10 idlers at all times, all of them essential or with valuable skills. The useless bunch is busy hauling stuff or firing bolts at sieges.
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Re: What's the secret to a long lasting fort?
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2011, 09:10:19 pm »

The trick to having a long-lasting fort...




is to not have a short-lasting one.
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Re: What's the secret to a long lasting fort?
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2011, 09:49:33 pm »

Learn to avoid things that kill forts; FPS Death, Starvation, FB Syndromes, Tantrum Spirals, Loyalty Cascades, Insane Dwarves, Correct use of !!Magma!!, Siege Defense, GCS (and other nasties), Boredom, Incorrect use of Water, ectera.

as for immigrants I draft them into a Laborer/Fodder Caste (which is my only caste that has any hauling labors). If I have enough of those, then I kill magma dogs (as pets) to force a tantrum spiral and save the berserk ones for sieges.
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Re: What's the secret to a long lasting fort?
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2011, 09:56:42 pm »

... Correct use of !!Magma!! ... Incorrect use of Water, ectera.
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