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[Anvilfolk]

Do you really believe the difference is that much? Heh...

[Dakk]

It is depending on your OS. Some OS handle the virtual machine rather poorly, and barely have any real support for it. Linux, like Drevlin said, handles java rather poorly.

[Drevlin]

You guys need to develop some larger software I know I haven't done anything much bigger than a couple thousand lines of code, but even there the difference in productivity is amazing.

Yes, if I have to run an enterprise infrastructure (JEE can be very handy), but for game development or else... I think productivity is a matter of experience

[Deadmeat1471]

Oh ma gawd.

[freeformschooler]

It is depending on your OS. Some OS handle the virtual machine rather poorly, and barely have any real support for it. Linux, like Drevlin said, handles java rather poorly.

Can't argue there. OpenJDK is disappointing.

Also, Dakk was right in another way. DF is unique in it uses more processing power than a regular game, but most Roguelikes, pathfinding or not, don't take much power. Especially compared to a regular 3D game.

[Tilla]

The countdown on the site is now at 1 so sometime in the next 24 hours or so the alpha should be available.

[Kay12]

Considering Minecraft (a Java game, natch) runs fine at medium-ish settings on my piece of trash, older NETBOOK, I'm guessing a Java roguelike isn't going to slow down some poor bloke's low-end computer given it was made in the last ~8 years.

Sure, but roguelikes usually need a lot more processing power to handle all the pathfinding and other stuff to waste the CPU cycles on.
Especially this one, since it was a big world and whatnot.

To contrast, Minecraft doesn't really have anything remotely as complex.

Note, most Roguelikes (unlike Minecraft and Dwarf Fortress) aren't real time, but turn-based. Turn-based games can, if optimized to the peak, perform many calculations while the user is pondering their next move, and are likely to use less processing power anyway because the user is unlikely to be bashing through events at an intolerable rate and slow downs are less noticeable in turn-based games.

To be honest, I've seen a turn-based Roguelike that really crippled my machine (a crappy PC, I admit). GearHead. It's got a rather complex time simulation system which runs quite well on modern machines but in my 1990's era Analytic Engine it simply got stuck for a moment whenever I tried to load. Oh yeah, and I checked out Crawl code a week ago, compiled it and it may get a bit sticky when there's a lot of translucent walls.

[shadenight123]

writing for keeping on sight.
downloaded adom since it looked interesting.
got stuck inside a merchants shop. even though i had payed everything. :/

[ductape]

writing for keeping on sight.
downloaded adom since it looked interesting.
got stuck inside a merchants shop. even though i had payed everything. :/

just kill the merchant

[maki32]

One question, ADOM have random generated artifacts??

BTW, 1 day to Jade? Awesome!!!

[Kay12]

I don't think it has. It does have a randomly generating artifact, though

[maki32]

I don't think it has. It does have a randomly generating artifact, though

Thanks for the answer but...What is it?

[shadenight123]

writing for keeping on sight.
downloaded adom since it looked interesting.
got stuck inside a merchants shop. even though i had payed everything. :/

just kill the merchant

won't the sheriff outside stop being friends with me ç_ç i could use a wand of doors...by the name it seems to create doors, right?

[Kay12]

I don't think it has. It does have a randomly generating artifact, though

Thanks for the answer but...What is it?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

In one of the Dungeons, you'll find the artifact Si which is nearly useless (it's crappy as a weapon, can't be worn as armor) apart from smashing fairly weak corrosive monsters who'd rot your normal weapons and other such niche uses. However, the artifact is fairly valuable as useless items go, and when carried, it occasionally (some fairly random interval) generates a perfect copy out of itself. It's likely to be the first artifact you'll run to, save for a possible quest reward early on. Beware, the stack might get quite heavy and you may find yourself unable to get rid of the extra ones in certain places...

[ChairmanPoo]

due to the number of replies I half expected this to be some old thread based on rumors that didn't materialize. I was pleasantly surprised