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[Sheb]

Since we now have boat bays (thanks US), I'd like to propose a new design: a large science vessel with small gossip and gravship using gunboat engines.

[RedKing]

From: Director Pan Luoli, Science & Technology Committee
To: Central Party Committee, Beijing


We have received some unofficial inquiries from the European Union regarding further technology transfers. In particular, they seem interested in pulse propulsion and advanced nuclear reactor technology. In return, they offer a wide variety of options plus the option for raw material transfer on our part. The S&TC has analyzed available options and suggests the following proposals:

1. The People's Republic of China will transfer Nuclear Pulse Engine and Pebble Ped Reactor technology to the European Union in return for increased Capacitor technology, mining technology, and modular fuel storage technology.

2. An alternate proposal would be an agreement for delivery of licensed hardware. The European Union may order a set number of pulse engines and/or pebble-reactors which the PRC will construct and transfer, in return for certain EU-constructed components and/or a lesser technology transfer. If the CPC deems our propulsion technology too valuable to transfer, this provides us an option to leverage our advantage without giving it up entirely. It is, of course, entirely possible that the EU will disassemble and attempt to reverse-engineer any engines they purchase, but the S&TC deems this an acceptable risk, as we may wish to do the same with transferred EU components.

(ooc: The idea of buying hardware and then disassembling it for RP is one that I think should be explored more in this setting, since it's a risk-reward tradeoff, and another way for countries like Japan to boost their economy but at the risk of losing technological advantage. It's also a lot more realistic than wholesale technology transfer. And it creates additional wrinkles in relations -- X wants to go to war with Y, but Y makes all the fancy electronics in X's warships, so if they get heavily damaged, they're not going to be able to fully repair them...). Plus, buying foreign hardware and reverse-engineering copies of it is very much a real-life PRC strategy.)

[Bremen]

I've updated Japan's tech (I'll try to remember to update that every year), I find it so ironic that my spy team was the first to steal a tech.

Japan orders draft 1:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Space orders: I want to get a mass driver to Charon immediately (take it off the civilian contracts and do it manually), finish getting Ariel to 20 mines/1 mass driver, then put 20 mines and 1 mass driver on Io and Oberon

Research orders: As soon as jump efficiency 4 is done, design a 4000 ton military jump drive
Once mining production is done, put those labs onto the jump drive
If the jump drive somehow finishes before the year is over start working on improved engines (if possible) or reactors

Production orders: IF the jump drive above finishes by the end of the year, design the following ship and retool the 6000 ton shipyard for production of it, and start building one

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Hosho class Survey Ship    4,000 tons     389 Crew     692.2 BP      TCS 80  TH 200  EM 0
2500 km/s    JR 3-50     Armour 1-22     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/1/2     Damage Control Rating 5     PPV 0
Annual Failure Rate: 25%    IFR: 0.4%    Maint Capacity 541 MSP    Max Repair 100 MSP    Est Time: 6.02 Years

J4000(3-50) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 4000 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3
Nuclear Pulse Engine E8 (5)    Power 40    Fuel Use 80%    Signature 40    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 400,000 Litres    Range 225.0 billion km   (1041 days at full power)

Gravitational Survey Sensors (1)   1 Survey Points Per Hour
Geological Survey Sensors (2)   2 Survey Points Per Hour

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
(Damn, I don't know enough Japanese to get a fitting name for the thing)

Line up another 2 research labs for the part of construction on those
When the mass drivers finish work on 10 more financial centres, and line up 5 more mass drivers for when that's done

Other orders: none

Are there any asteroids with decent (5000+ tonnes) amounts of mercassium or corundium still out there?

Afraid EU beat you to stealing a tech; they got small fuel storage from the US a year or two ago.

Hoshi mean star in Japanese. Takeshi means brave; Tankenka means explorer. Or the ships could be named after anime, in which case I suggest Hoshi no Koe (Voices of a Distant Star) since its about humanity's first ftl ships .

The largest unexploited deposit of Corundium is Comet #2, which is currently just beyond the orbit of Neptune and approaching. Also included is info for Oberon and Asteroid #41

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Comet #2
Corundium: 55,240 (.7)
Sorium: 41,043 (.8)
Corbomite: 16,285 (.7)
Mercassium: 9,876 (.7)

Oberon
Duranium: 6,690 (.9)
Neutronium: 4,231 (.5)
Tritanium: 3,716 (.7)
Mercassium: 8,563 (.9)
Corundium: 6,347 (.6)

Asteroid #41
Mercassium: 6,889 (1)
Neutronium: 9,409 (1)
Tritanium: 7,569 (1)
Sorium: 7,056 (1)

(ooc: The idea of buying hardware and then disassembling it for RP is one that I think should be explored more in this setting, since it's a risk-reward tradeoff, and another way for countries like Japan to boost their economy but at the risk of losing technological advantage. It's also a lot more realistic than wholesale technology transfer. And it creates additional wrinkles in relations -- X wants to go to war with Y, but Y makes all the fancy electronics in X's warships, so if they get heavily damaged, they're not going to be able to fully repair them...). Plus, buying foreign hardware and reverse-engineering copies of it is very much a real-life PRC strategy.)

While it is a cool idea, does anyone know if it's possible using the game or SM mode? I guess I could put them on a freighter, transfer the freighter, unload them, and transfer it back.

[Sirus]

@ Sheb: Seems like you guys are getting all my best techs.

What do I get? A missile sub-missile. Which I'll never use 

Ah, c'est la vie.

[RedKing]

I've updated Japan's tech (I'll try to remember to update that every year), I find it so ironic that my spy team was the first to steal a tech.

Japan orders draft 1:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Space orders: I want to get a mass driver to Charon immediately (take it off the civilian contracts and do it manually), finish getting Ariel to 20 mines/1 mass driver, then put 20 mines and 1 mass driver on Io and Oberon

Research orders: As soon as jump efficiency 4 is done, design a 4000 ton military jump drive
Once mining production is done, put those labs onto the jump drive
If the jump drive somehow finishes before the year is over start working on improved engines (if possible) or reactors

Production orders: IF the jump drive above finishes by the end of the year, design the following ship and retool the 6000 ton shipyard for production of it, and start building one

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Hosho class Survey Ship    4,000 tons     389 Crew     692.2 BP      TCS 80  TH 200  EM 0
2500 km/s    JR 3-50     Armour 1-22     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/1/2     Damage Control Rating 5     PPV 0
Annual Failure Rate: 25%    IFR: 0.4%    Maint Capacity 541 MSP    Max Repair 100 MSP    Est Time: 6.02 Years

J4000(3-50) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 4000 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3
Nuclear Pulse Engine E8 (5)    Power 40    Fuel Use 80%    Signature 40    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 400,000 Litres    Range 225.0 billion km   (1041 days at full power)

Gravitational Survey Sensors (1)   1 Survey Points Per Hour
Geological Survey Sensors (2)   2 Survey Points Per Hour

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
(Damn, I don't know enough Japanese to get a fitting name for the thing)

Line up another 2 research labs for the part of construction on those
When the mass drivers finish work on 10 more financial centres, and line up 5 more mass drivers for when that's done

Other orders: none

Are there any asteroids with decent (5000+ tonnes) amounts of mercassium or corundium still out there?

Afraid EU beat you to stealing a tech; they got small fuel storage from the US a year or two ago.

Hoshi mean star in Japanese. Takeshi means brave; Tankenka means explorer. Or the ships could be named after anime, in which case I suggest Hoshi no Koe (Voices of a Distant Star) since its about humanity's first ftl ships .

The largest unexploited deposit of Corundium is Comet #2, which is currently just beyond the orbit of Neptune and approaching. Also included is info for Oberon and Asteroid #41

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Comet #2
Corundium: 55,240 (.7)
Sorium: 41,043 (.8)
Corbomite: 16,285 (.7)
Mercassium: 9,876 (.7)

Oberon
Duranium: 6,690 (.9)
Neutronium: 4,231 (.5)
Tritanium: 3,716 (.7)
Mercassium: 8,563 (.9)
Corundium: 6,347 (.6)

Asteroid #41
Mercassium: 6,889 (1)
Neutronium: 9,409 (1)
Tritanium: 7,569 (1)
Sorium: 7,056 (1)

(ooc: The idea of buying hardware and then disassembling it for RP is one that I think should be explored more in this setting, since it's a risk-reward tradeoff, and another way for countries like Japan to boost their economy but at the risk of losing technological advantage. It's also a lot more realistic than wholesale technology transfer. And it creates additional wrinkles in relations -- X wants to go to war with Y, but Y makes all the fancy electronics in X's warships, so if they get heavily damaged, they're not going to be able to fully repair them...). Plus, buying foreign hardware and reverse-engineering copies of it is very much a real-life PRC strategy.)

While it is a cool idea, does anyone know if it's possible using the game or SM mode? I guess I could put them on a freighter, transfer the freighter, unload them, and transfer it back.

I'm not entirely sure. I'll play around with it this evening and see if I can find a straightforward way to do this.

[Azkul]

From: Director Pan Luoli, Science & Technology Committee
To: Central Party Committee, Beijing


We have received some unofficial inquiries from the European Union regarding further technology transfers. In particular, they seem interested in pulse propulsion and advanced nuclear reactor technology. In return, they offer a wide variety of options plus the option for raw material transfer on our part. The S&TC has analyzed available options and suggests the following proposals:

1. The People's Republic of China will transfer Nuclear Pulse Engine and Pebble Ped Reactor technology to the European Union in return for increased Capacitor technology, mining technology, and modular fuel storage technology.

2. An alternate proposal would be an agreement for delivery of licensed hardware. The European Union may order a set number of pulse engines and/or pebble-reactors which the PRC will construct and transfer, in return for certain EU-constructed components and/or a lesser technology transfer. If the CPC deems our propulsion technology too valuable to transfer, this provides us an option to leverage our advantage without giving it up entirely. It is, of course, entirely possible that the EU will disassemble and attempt to reverse-engineer any engines they purchase, but the S&TC deems this an acceptable risk, as we may wish to do the same with transferred EU components.

(ooc: The idea of buying hardware and then disassembling it for RP is one that I think should be explored more in this setting, since it's a risk-reward tradeoff, and another way for countries like Japan to boost their economy but at the risk of losing technological advantage. It's also a lot more realistic than wholesale technology transfer. And it creates additional wrinkles in relations -- X wants to go to war with Y, but Y makes all the fancy electronics in X's warships, so if they get heavily damaged, they're not going to be able to fully repair them...). Plus, buying foreign hardware and reverse-engineering copies of it is very much a real-life PRC strategy.)

I agree to the trade of Nuclear Pulse Engines and Pebble Bed Reactors for:
Mining Production 12
Small Fuel Storage
Capacitor Recharge Rate 3

I also offer a separate trade of High Density Duranium Armor in exchange for 10k Duranium

EU's Orders Fourth Draft:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Space Orders:
--Send one Mass Driver and all our Automated Mines on Earth, Hyperion and Deimos to Io using both civilian and naval freighters.
--Send all our OSR-232 to Saturn.
--Use civilian freighters to send infrastructure to Titan.
--Send infrastructure to Mercury IF the amount of infrastructure on Mercury is insufficient to sustain the population.


Production Orders:
-Shipyards:
--Scrap both Audacious ships (do not scrap the grav sensors we get from this as we will use them in construction of the Newton)
--Scrap the Galileo for its engines and geo sensors for the Newton science vessel
--Produce OSR-232s until further notice. Give one of the first to the United States.
--After the Warlock Shipyard has expanded to 10,000 tons, retool it to produce the Newton science vessel. Produce two. [Having just one science vessel would be a pretty big setback.]
--As soon as the shipyard is ready build one Mule

-Factories:
--100% Construct one 17,000 tone jump-drive so we have one ready to go when we finish overhauling
--x% Produce Mines
--y% Produce Financial Centers
--Where x is the maximum percentage that can be sustained with current rate of Mineral Extraction and y is the rest of the construction factories.
-Ground Forces:
To conserve Neutronium and Duranium temporarily stop all construction of ground troops

Research Orders:
--After Fuel Production has finished research;
---Assign 6 labs to research Research Rate 240, Combat Drop Module Company (Battalion first, if it is required), then Construction Rate 12.
---Assign 6 labs to research 15cm Laser Focal Size, 20cm Laser Focal Size then Ultraviolet Laser Wavelength.

Other Orders:
--Once the Jump Drive is ready design a Mule civilian tender, who will weigh 17,000 tons and carry a lot fuel and maintenance
--Transfer Mining Production 12, Small Fuel Storage and Capacitor Recharge Rate 3 to the PRC if Nuclear Pulse Engines and Pebble Bed Reactors are transferred
--Transfer High Density Duranium Armor to the PRC if 10k Duranium is transferred 

[Bremen]

Giving some more time for orders, since those for this turn will probably be particularly complicated.

In the mean time, I'd like to ask a question for future updates. If all goes well, the first jump ship should transit to a new system this year. How should that be handled in the updates? I can think of 3 ways to handle it:

a) Same as now; it gets reported in the updates.
b) It gets reported, but in a spoiler box, which only the lurkers and players for that nation should read
c) Nothing! Some of the AARs on the board use the mechanism that messages can't be sent interstellar distances, and so information is only relayed when a ship jumps back into a system. Once jumpgates are completed on both sides of a jump point its assumed messages can be sent instantly. This can go along with A or B; in the case of B, once the jumpship gets back I'll post what it found in a spoiler box. If it gets blown up, then all you know is it doesn't report back.

So, A, B, Ca, or Cb?

[Azkul]

Giving some more time for orders, since those for this turn will probably be particularly complicated.

In the mean time, I'd like to ask a question for future updates. If all goes well, the first jump ship should transit to a new system this year. How should that be handled in the updates? I can think of 3 ways to handle it:

a) Same as now; it gets reported in the updates.
b) It gets reported, but in a spoiler box, which only the lurkers and players for that nation should read
c) Nothing! Some of the AARs on the board use the mechanism that messages can't be sent interstellar distances, and so information is only relayed when a ship jumps back into a system. Once jumpgates are completed on both sides of a jump point its assumed messages can be sent instantly. This can go along with A or B; in the case of B, once the jumpship gets back I'll post what it found in a spoiler box. If it gets blown up, then all you know is it doesn't report back.

So, A, B, Ca, or Cb?

Cb

[Sirus]

I actually vote for private messages to be sent after the ship returns. Seeing as how that would probably be too much hassle however, I vote Cb.

[Bremen]

I actually vote for private messages to be sent after the ship returns. Seeing as how that would probably be too much hassle however, I vote Cb.

I don't want to do anything by private messaging, because new players can join a nation at any time and there are also lurkers following the thread (I hope).

[Sirus]

I actually vote for private messages to be sent after the ship returns. Seeing as how that would probably be too much hassle however, I vote Cb.

I don't want to do anything by private messaging, because new players can join a nation at any time and there are also lurkers following the thread (I hope).

I know we have that Mr. Person guy who posts every so often. I've gotta assume that there are others. But like I said, my "official" vote is for Cb.

[DemonOfWrath]

AHA! Takenta was what I was looking for, thanks Bremen!

Japan orders draft 2 (all changes from before in bold):

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Space orders: I want to get a mass driver to Charon immediately (take it off the civilian contracts and do it manually), finish getting Ariel to 20 mines/1 mass driver, get 40 mines and 1 mass driver on comet #2, then put 20 mines and 1 mass driver on Io and Oberon

Research orders: As soon as jump efficiency 4 is done, design a 4000 ton military jump drive
Once mining production is done, put those labs onto the jump drive
If the jump drive somehow finishes before the year is over start working on improved engines (if possible) or reactors

Production orders: IF the jump drive above finishes by the end of the year, design the following ship and retool the 6000 ton shipyard for production of it, and start building one

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Takenta class Survey Ship    4,000 tons     389 Crew     692.2 BP      TCS 80  TH 200  EM 0
2500 km/s    JR 3-50     Armour 1-22     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/1/2     Damage Control Rating 5     PPV 0
Annual Failure Rate: 25%    IFR: 0.4%    Maint Capacity 541 MSP    Max Repair 100 MSP    Est Time: 6.02 Years

J4000(3-50) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 4000 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3
Nuclear Pulse Engine E8 (5)    Power 40    Fuel Use 80%    Signature 40    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 400,000 Litres    Range 225.0 billion km   (1041 days at full power)

Gravitational Survey Sensors (1)   1 Survey Points Per Hour
Geological Survey Sensors (2)   2 Survey Points Per Hour

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

Line up another 2 research labs for the part of construction on those
When the mass drivers finish work on 10 more financial centres, and line up 5 more mass drivers for when that's done

Other orders: none

[Burnt Pies]

Cb, for definite.

I support Sirus' orders for this turn, nothing much to add.

[Comp112]

I am lurking, I was going to join as the US, and still may in the future, but most of the stuff I would propose would be rather aggressive...

By the way, great read.

[Mr.Person]

Don't worry too much about what spectators see, the focus is all on you guys. I think it's entirely acceptable to hide information from spectators if that makes the game better. As a side bonus, it gives spectators a nice reason to actually get involved with the game.