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[Azkul]

[snip]

Editing the post progressively 
and i'm waiting for the other EU players to decide about the ship construction and other things.

The EU summary says

22 GB Poleaxe ( 4 building)

but 3, not 4 slipways are assigned to Poleaxe.

Is that a typo or did I just completely misunderstand it?

[Azkul]

accidental post, ignore

[Bremen]

The EU summary says

22 GB Poleaxe ( 4 building)

but 3, not 4 slipways are assigned to Poleaxe.

Is that a typo or did I just completely misunderstand it?

Ah, yes, that shipyard has 4 slipways. Editted the status to correct that; unfortunately, the way I update things whenever they change means errors tend to sneak through occasionally.

[Thranx]

Okay I rearranged the orders to compensate for our mineral shortages

EU's Orders Second Draft:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Space Orders:
--Send one Mass Driver and all our Automated Mines on Earth to Hyperion using civilian freighters.
--Send all our OSR-232 to Saturn.
--Use civilian freighters to send infrastructure to Titan.
--Send infrastructure to Mercury IF the amount of infrastructure on Mercury is insufficient to sustain the population.


Production Orders:
-Shipyards:
--Scrap both Audacious ships (do not scrap the grav sensors we get from this as we will use them in construction of the Newton)
--Scrap the Galileo for its engines and geo sensors for the Newton science vessel
--Produce OSR-232s until further notice. Give one of the first to the United States.
--After the Warlock Shipyard has expanded to 10,000 tons, retool it to produce the Newton science vessel. Produce one Newton Class Science vessels.
--As soon as the shipyard is ready build one Mule

-Factories: [Review due to Duranium shortage
--100% Construct one 17,000 tone jump-drive so we have one ready to go when we finish overhauling
--100% Build 20 financial centers (the only facility that does not cost Duranium)

-Ground Forces:
To conserve Nutrioneum and Duranium stop all construction of ground troops

Research Orders:
--After Fuel Production has finished research;
---Assign 6 labs to research Research Rate, then Construction Rate.
---Assign 6 labs to research laser technologies. [Take advantage of excellent EW scientist].

Other Orders:
--Once the Jump Drive is ready design a Mule civilian tender, who will weigh 17,000 tons and carry a lot fuel and maintenance

[Sirus]

Question!

Once the US has possession of the OSR, will we be able to produce our own, or will we need to make a new class?

[Thranx]

 

Question!

Once the US has possession of the OSR, will we be able to produce our own, or will we need to make a new class?

I don't think that it matters as it does not actually take any lab time to create a new ship design and as their are no components on the OSR that the USA does not possess thus you can make an exact copy of the OSR for the US or design your own it shouldn't make any difference except that I am not sure if the US has a shipyard big enough to construct and OSR as I don't read the Spoilers for other Nations

[Azkul]

Does it cost Duranium to convert mines to automated mines?

[Sirus]

Yep. 75 per mine converted.

[Azkul]

Then I support

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

100% Build 20 financial centers (the only facility that does not cost Duranium)

Okay I rearranged the orders to compensate for our mineral shortages

EU's Orders Second Draft:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Space Orders:
--Send one Mass Driver and all our Automated Mines on Earth to Hyperion using civilian freighters.
--Send all our OSR-232 to Saturn.
--Use civilian freighters to send infrastructure to Titan.
--Send infrastructure to Mercury IF the amount of infrastructure on Mercury is insufficient to sustain the population.


Production Orders:
-Shipyards:
--Scrap both Audacious ships (do not scrap the grav sensors we get from this as we will use them in construction of the Newton)
--Scrap the Galileo for its engines and geo sensors for the Newton science vessel
--Produce OSR-232s until further notice. Give one of the first to the United States.
--After the Warlock Shipyard has expanded to 10,000 tons, retool it to produce the Newton science vessel. Produce one Newton Class Science vessels.
--As soon as the shipyard is ready build one Mule

-Factories: [Review due to Duranium shortage
--100% Construct one 17,000 tone jump-drive so we have one ready to go when we finish overhauling
--100% Build 20 financial centers (the only facility that does not cost Duranium)

-Ground Forces:
To conserve Nutrioneum and Duranium stop all construction of ground troops

Research Orders:
--After Fuel Production has finished research;
---Assign 6 labs to research Research Rate, then Construction Rate.
---Assign 6 labs to research laser technologies. [Take advantage of excellent EW scientist].

Other Orders:
--Once the Jump Drive is ready design a Mule civilian tender, who will weigh 17,000 tons and carry a lot fuel and maintenance

What are your thoughts on

I think it would be useful to purchase Pulse Engines, what technologies (or group of technologies) does the EU have that is approximately equal in RP value to Nuclear Pulse Engines and its prerequisite reactor?

Also related to buying stuff, the PRC has the largest stockpile of duranium, so maybe a deal could be worked out in which:

PRC --> EU:  Duranium, Nuclear Pulse Engines

EU --> PRC: Technology (specifics to be discussed)

[Bremen]

It's not really my place to suggest something, but there is duranium on Earth, Europe is just running low because they've been building factories but not any new mines. Have you considered building some of those? Or at least not moving them all to a colony without any duranium.

[Azkul]

EU's Orders Third Draft:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Space Orders:
--Send one Mass Driver and all our Automated Mines on Earth, Hyperion and Deimos to Io using both civilian and naval freighters.
--Send all our OSR-232 to Saturn.
--Use civilian freighters to send infrastructure to Titan.
--Send infrastructure to Mercury IF the amount of infrastructure on Mercury is insufficient to sustain the population.


Production Orders:
-Shipyards:
--Scrap both Audacious ships (do not scrap the grav sensors we get from this as we will use them in construction of the Newton)
--Scrap the Galileo for its engines and geo sensors for the Newton science vessel
--Produce OSR-232s until further notice. Give one of the first to the United States.
--After the Warlock Shipyard has expanded to 10,000 tons, retool it to produce the Newton science vessel. Produce two. [Having just one science vessel would be a pretty big setback.]
--As soon as the shipyard is ready build one Mule

-Factories:
--100% Construct one 17,000 tone jump-drive so we have one ready to go when we finish overhauling
--x% Produce Mines
--y% Produce Financial Centers
--Where x is the maximum percentage that can be sustained with current rate of Mineral Extraction and y is the rest of the construction factories.
-Ground Forces:
To conserve Neutronium and Duranium temporarily stop all construction of ground troops

Research Orders:
--After Fuel Production has finished research;
---Assign 6 labs to research Research Rate, then Construction Rate.
---Assign 6 labs to research laser technologies. [Take advantage of excellent EW scientist].

Other Orders:
--Once the Jump Drive is ready design a Mule civilian tender, who will weigh 17,000 tons and carry a lot fuel and maintenance

What is the RP value of Nuclear Pulse Engines and Pebble Bed Reactors (only if Nuclear Pulse Engines require Pebble Bed Reactors, and the EU does not have Pebble Bed Reactors)?

What technology or combination of technologies does the EU have which has a same or similar RP value, which could be traded with other nations in exchange for Nuclear Pulse Engines, and Duranium?

[Thranx]

EU's Orders Third Draft:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Space Orders:
--Send one Mass Driver and all our Automated Mines on Earth, Hyperion and Deimos to Io using both civilian and naval freighters.
--Send all our OSR-232 to Saturn.
--Use civilian freighters to send infrastructure to Titan.
--Send infrastructure to Mercury IF the amount of infrastructure on Mercury is insufficient to sustain the population.


Production Orders:
-Shipyards:
--Scrap both Audacious ships (do not scrap the grav sensors we get from this as we will use them in construction of the Newton)
--Scrap the Galileo for its engines and geo sensors for the Newton science vessel
--Produce OSR-232s until further notice. Give one of the first to the United States.
--After the Warlock Shipyard has expanded to 10,000 tons, retool it to produce the Newton science vessel. Produce two. [Having just one science vessel would be a pretty big setback.]
--As soon as the shipyard is ready build one Mule

-Factories:
--100% Construct one 17,000 tone jump-drive so we have one ready to go when we finish overhauling
--x% Produce Mines
--y% Produce Financial Centers
--Where x is the maximum percentage that can be sustained with current rate of Mineral Extraction and y is the rest of the construction factories.
-Ground Forces:
To conserve Neutronium and Duranium temporarily stop all construction of ground troops

Research Orders:
--After Fuel Production has finished research;
---Assign 6 labs to research Research Rate, then Construction Rate.
---Assign 6 labs to research laser technologies. [Take advantage of excellent EW scientist].

Other Orders:
--Once the Jump Drive is ready design a Mule civilian tender, who will weigh 17,000 tons and carry a lot fuel and maintenance

I like the changes, also I support a trade of technology for more Duranium and better engine tech

[Azkul]

EU's Orders Third Draft:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Space Orders:
--Send one Mass Driver and all our Automated Mines on Earth, Hyperion and Deimos to Io using both civilian and naval freighters.
--Send all our OSR-232 to Saturn.
--Use civilian freighters to send infrastructure to Titan.
--Send infrastructure to Mercury IF the amount of infrastructure on Mercury is insufficient to sustain the population.


Production Orders:
-Shipyards:
--Scrap both Audacious ships (do not scrap the grav sensors we get from this as we will use them in construction of the Newton)
--Scrap the Galileo for its engines and geo sensors for the Newton science vessel
--Produce OSR-232s until further notice. Give one of the first to the United States.
--After the Warlock Shipyard has expanded to 10,000 tons, retool it to produce the Newton science vessel. Produce two. [Having just one science vessel would be a pretty big setback.]
--As soon as the shipyard is ready build one Mule

-Factories:
--100% Construct one 17,000 tone jump-drive so we have one ready to go when we finish overhauling
--x% Produce Mines
--y% Produce Financial Centers
--Where x is the maximum percentage that can be sustained with current rate of Mineral Extraction and y is the rest of the construction factories.
-Ground Forces:
To conserve Neutronium and Duranium temporarily stop all construction of ground troops

Research Orders:
--After Fuel Production has finished research;
---Assign 6 labs to research Research Rate, then Construction Rate.
---Assign 6 labs to research laser technologies. [Take advantage of excellent EW scientist].

Other Orders:
--Once the Jump Drive is ready design a Mule civilian tender, who will weigh 17,000 tons and carry a lot fuel and maintenance

I like the changes, also I support a trade of technology for more Duranium and better engine tech

The two nations with better engine tech are the PRC and Japan, the PRC has better relations and a larger Duranium stockpile, so the deal depends on what tech the PRC leaders would ask for.

[Bremen]

EU's Orders Third Draft:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Space Orders:
--Send one Mass Driver and all our Automated Mines on Earth, Hyperion and Deimos to Io using both civilian and naval freighters.
--Send all our OSR-232 to Saturn.
--Use civilian freighters to send infrastructure to Titan.
--Send infrastructure to Mercury IF the amount of infrastructure on Mercury is insufficient to sustain the population.


Production Orders:
-Shipyards:
--Scrap both Audacious ships (do not scrap the grav sensors we get from this as we will use them in construction of the Newton)
--Scrap the Galileo for its engines and geo sensors for the Newton science vessel
--Produce OSR-232s until further notice. Give one of the first to the United States.
--After the Warlock Shipyard has expanded to 10,000 tons, retool it to produce the Newton science vessel. Produce two. [Having just one science vessel would be a pretty big setback.]
--As soon as the shipyard is ready build one Mule

-Factories:
--100% Construct one 17,000 tone jump-drive so we have one ready to go when we finish overhauling
--x% Produce Mines
--y% Produce Financial Centers
--Where x is the maximum percentage that can be sustained with current rate of Mineral Extraction and y is the rest of the construction factories.
-Ground Forces:
To conserve Neutronium and Duranium temporarily stop all construction of ground troops

Research Orders:
--After Fuel Production has finished research;
---Assign 6 labs to research Research Rate, then Construction Rate.
---Assign 6 labs to research laser technologies. [Take advantage of excellent EW scientist].

Other Orders:
--Once the Jump Drive is ready design a Mule civilian tender, who will weigh 17,000 tons and carry a lot fuel and maintenance

What is the RP value of Nuclear Pulse Engines and Pebble Bed Reactors (only if Nuclear Pulse Engines require Pebble Bed Reactors, and the EU does not have Pebble Bed Reactors)?

What technology or combination of technologies does the EU have which has a same or similar RP value, which could be traded with other nations in exchange for Nuclear Pulse Engines, and Duranium?

Pebble bed reactor is 3000, nuclear pulse engines are 5000. The tech list hasn't been updated for this turn yet (were players going to do that, or should I?) but I think Europe has the following techs over China:

Mining Production 12 (3k)
Sorium Harvester (are we allowing tech brokering?) (5k)
Terraforming module (5k)
Terraforming rate .0012 (3k)
High density duranium armor (2.5k)
(assorted laser techs)
Small Fuel Storage (1k)
Missile Agility 32 (2k)
Missile Launcher Reload Rate 2 (2k)
Magazine Ejection system 80% chance (1k)
Capacitor Reload Rate 3 (4k)
Fast attack Craft engine (4k)
Active Grav Sensor Strength 16 (4k)

[DemonOfWrath]

I've updated Japan's tech (I'll try to remember to update that every year), I find it so ironic that my spy team was the first to steal a tech.

Japan orders draft 1:

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Space orders: I want to get a mass driver to Charon immediately (take it off the civilian contracts and do it manually), finish getting Ariel to 20 mines/1 mass driver, then put 20 mines and 1 mass driver on Io and Oberon

Research orders: As soon as jump efficiency 4 is done, design a 4000 ton military jump drive
Once mining production is done, put those labs onto the jump drive
If the jump drive somehow finishes before the year is over start working on improved engines (if possible) or reactors

Production orders: IF the jump drive above finishes by the end of the year, design the following ship and retool the 6000 ton shipyard for production of it, and start building one

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Hosho class Survey Ship    4,000 tons     389 Crew     692.2 BP      TCS 80  TH 200  EM 0
2500 km/s    JR 3-50     Armour 1-22     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/1/2     Damage Control Rating 5     PPV 0
Annual Failure Rate: 25%    IFR: 0.4%    Maint Capacity 541 MSP    Max Repair 100 MSP    Est Time: 6.02 Years

J4000(3-50) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 4000 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3
Nuclear Pulse Engine E8 (5)    Power 40    Fuel Use 80%    Signature 40    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 400,000 Litres    Range 225.0 billion km   (1041 days at full power)

Gravitational Survey Sensors (1)   1 Survey Points Per Hour
Geological Survey Sensors (2)   2 Survey Points Per Hour

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
(Damn, I don't know enough Japanese to get a fitting name for the thing)

Line up another 2 research labs for the part of construction on those
When the mass drivers finish work on 10 more financial centres, and line up 5 more mass drivers for when that's done

Other orders: none

Are there any asteroids with decent (5000+ tonnes) amounts of mercassium or corundium still out there?