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[The Scout]

In concept, both governments are perfect. Both have major flaws in practice though.
Communism relies on the fact that it's people are going to do what's best for the entire group, not for what's best for them or their family. The fact is, all people have some wish to be better then everyone else. All it takes is a few people to take the government down. (Corruption)
Capitalism relies solely on it's economy. If it's economy is doing good, everyone benefits. But at the top of the spike of rising stocks, it will begin to drop. People will take as much as they can back, causing to fall faster. Once it's bottomed out, it's hard to get back up and everyone is effected.

Just my two cents. Share what you think, but if a flame war breaks out, I will lock this thread down.

[Darvi]

Oh hey, this moved here now?

Fact is, both systems have their strong points that don't work because people are arseholes.

[Tilla]

Honestly both depend on human decency which in my experience just doesn't exist to the extent needed.

[anzki4]

Both work if the community is small enough. Given the size of nations right now, neither one works.

[Johnfalcon99977]

They are both very flawed, but I guess Communism fell because it relied on Human caring and compassion for each other. However, this was Communisms largest and most glaring flaw. The truth is, most Humans are going to be bastards. Its not something anyone is proud of, but it it a fact of life. It was a Noble Dream, but overall, it is just overly Idealistic and Flawed Dream.

Capitalism survives, and most likely will survive for as long as Humanity is around because of its greatest advantage over Communism. And it is the thing that makes it Communisms sole opposite. The fact that it exploits the Human disire to become more powerful, and encourages it. This fact makes Capitalism destined for survival and dominance.

So Communism Vs Capitalism? Capitalism wins by a long shot. Not because its "Better", nor "More Powerful", nor is it "Morally Superior" (Although, all things considered, Communism may have been the moral equal, or even superior of Capitalism.) but because it is built around the Basic Human Disire for more.

Its that simple.

[scriver]

They both suck because of how unrealistic they are. The only good thing about them is their bastard love-child; half capitalist, half socialist, half bear.

[Darvi]

They both suck because of how unrealistic they are. The only good thing about them is their bastard love-child; half capitalist, half socialist, half bear.

Rawr >:3

[Luke_Prowler]

It's pretty much been said already. Both fail for their own reasons, communism just fails more, and it best to use a mix of both.

But their both better than the old way.

[Greyejoy]

Go go gadget 19 year old idealist teen thoughts:

What do you mean exactly by 'old way'? If you're thinking to the roots of humanity with wandering tribes; That really is the idea of communism. From my own observations, I'd say that communism fails because it requires people to be compassionate and helpful generally the entire time. Whereas capitalism requires people to be compassionate and helpful only if they feel like it. As time goes on, those requirements become harder and harder to reach. Most of the world is dominated by western ideals and influences. Here in the west, we're born into, grown up in, and live in a system based on competition. From the very beginning we're instilled with the idea that you have to conquer and beat everyone else. That's the only way to success.

To me, that is a disgusting system. One that limits the full range of human ability and is damaging to emotional and mental health. This is my current thoughts on the subject for the most part.

[Criptfeind]

Yeah. Both Capitalism and Communism fail really really hard. Both for the same reason as well.

So yeah, just give me my Welfare Capitalism or my Democratic Socialism. I can live with ether of them, but don't get all extremist on me.

To me, that is a disgusting system. One that limits the full range of human ability and is damaging to emotional and mental health. This is my current thoughts on the subject for the most part.

I question what you would fine better? Because no matter what you will be instilling values in people, which would be just as much if not more limited and 'damaging.'

Hell, at least when you put the stress on the self and on the personal you are encouraging people to find their own way, which can lead them to the values of community and whatever else.

[Luke_Prowler]

@Greyejoy: By "Old ways" I mean "Oi, gimme dat or I'll bop you one". And I'd say that competitiveness is a natural state, because no one is willingly going to back down and get pigeonholed by others.

[Montague]

Communism is idiotic. Every country that has ever attempted any form of communist ideology has failed miserably. It destroys the freedom of individuals for the sake of equality. It demands endless sacrifice, punishes hard work and achievement and rewards liabilities and laziness.

All Communism has accomplished is the deaths of millions of people and the impoverishment of millions more.

So yeah, Capitalism is probably the better ideology.

[PsyberianHusky]

I love capitalism because it explores human potential, but loath it because of human greed.
Communism has the same potential for perversion in my mind.

Capitalism V. Communism is kinda a dumb argument in my eyes because it implies a sliding scale between two values, when I think the distribution of resources should take in many more factors, like personal responsibility for said resources.

[Criptfeind]

Please explain more by 'personal responsibility'?

Because, although obviously there are infinite mixes of politics and economies, it seems fine to me to put Capitalism and Communism on a sliding scale. It will be effected by other factors, but you will still be able to point to some where on the scale and say 'we are here.'

[The Scout]

Communism doesn't work? Look at China.
I forgot to mention, communism is a government, capitalism is an economic idea which is the opposite of what communism dictates.
A pure communistic country like the soviet union fails, and a country under pure democratic values and capitalism has fallouts, which are devastating and last a long time.
China is a mix of communism and democratic values, and exercises a small amount of capitalism, in which people can own businesses. It being a communist government, makes it able to withstand and fix economic problems easier.
But it limits peoples freedoms and people don't like that.
So either way, but are bad. One you lose most of your freedoms, and the entire country is failing. The other you have freedom, but the economy breaks alot.
The either is in the middle. You lose a few rights, but the economy is stable, and you can own a business. However, government can do what they want most of the time.
Speaking of that, I gotta find a place that has the Communist Manifesto so I can read a little bit more about this.