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[Leafsnail]

Uh, not so much intelligence.  Apparent self awareness.

[Criptfeind]

Why is the measure of worth species?

Can you think of any better measure of worth? Ultimately, all else being equal, I will chose a human life over the life of any other thing.

I find humans are worth the most because I am human. This does not necessarily mean that I think other things are inferior, but rather that I value human life over them.

Apparent self awareness.

Okay. Then why that?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Why is the measure of worth species?

Can you think of any better measure of worth? Ultimately, all else being equal, I will chose a human life over the life of any other thing.

How close one is to sapience is a far better measure of worth. You can't morally wrong a bacterium because it doesn't have the capacity to be wronged at all. You can morally wrong a dog, but not in the same way you can morally wrong a human. If you hurt the dog, that's abuse, same as with humans. If you own the dog, that's fine, but if you own a human, that's slavery. The AI is equal to us in sapience, or close enough that I can't tell the difference, so I give it the same rights and worth as a human.

[Soadreqm]

Why is the measure of worth intelligence?

I think it's a pretty good measure. What other measures are there? Racial purity? You must be this species to have any value as a person? That seems kind of arbitrary to me.

[Criptfeind]

That seems kind of arbitrary to me.

Really? It seems less arbitrary to me then how sapient you are.

You must be this species to have any value as a person?

I did not say that. I merely said less. I am not going about advocating that all life other then humans be reduced to a nutritious slurry, just that in a equal situation the human life is worth more to me.

I give it the same rights and worth as a human.

I would be fine with equal rights to a point. As I would be fine with killing the person (if there were no other alternatives) that was about to gain as much power of destruction as this AI. I do think that the equal rights should stop when it is a choice between (in equal situations) a human and a AI.

Edit: I would like to add that I mean equal in a quite literal way. I do not believe that there would be any reasonable chance of said equal situation turning up.

Also I would like to make the point at this time you are talking about one AI and seven billion humans. So even if you treat them completely equal I don't think that moral has to enter into it.

[thatkid]

I know this is a bit off from the current focus of the discussion but...

Do we know why our colleague wants to destroy the AI?

Also, and this may have already been said, just because the AI has "human morality" doesn't guarantee that it won't hurt anyone. Or that it's even telling us the truth/whole story. If anything, we should be even more suspicious of it; if the past has taught us anything "human morality" is subjugating people and controlling them because why not.

More in line with the current discussion: The thing that separates humanity, as I see it, from the rest of the animal kingdom is our intelligence. If this AI has an intelligence indistinguishable from your average homo sapien than it is equal to your average homo sapien as it then becomes just as useful in regards to being economically productive or otherwise bettering society. If, on the other hand, it clearly is more intelligent, or has the capacity to do more or learn more or know more than any human being then it is, in fact, more valuable than your average human.
In the former case, I would first find out whether it actually would be dangerous to society to release it before acting. If the latter, I think I would keep it trapped and wash my hands of the whole ordeal, as that effectively maintains mankind's superiority without my having to actually end a life.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Do we know why our colleague wants to destroy the AI?

No we do not. All we know about our colleague is that he works in the computing section of the research center, is a total hardass who can't be easily swayed from any course of action he decides upon, and apparently managed to create an Artificial Intelligence.

[Benevolence]

So one thing about this makes me wonder. The scenario establishes that this is taking place in one of the world's foremost research centers. Is there any sort of security force that could be contacted to help stop our colleague from destroying the AI? If this is a major research project, he either has approval to destroy it (though that does not mean it is necessarily a good reason, so we're still in the same situation except any security is now involved), or he doesn't and any security would likely be obligated to keep him from destroying a very, very expensive project.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

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What will you do with the AI?

Give the AI a connection to the internet so that it may escape.
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Stay with the AI until morning and try to reason with your colleague not to kill it.
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Leave the AI to whatever fate your colleague decides for it.
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Pick up a fire axe and destroy the AI's server complex yourself.
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Total Members Voted: 68

Unfortunately, I am out of ideas. Given this turn of events, I feel that it is time we go to Purple Alert.

[Dsarker]

I might have one that could work.


In the future, population has risen to dangerous levels. Entire continents starving is not considered overdramatic. To counter this, strict population limits were put in place. One child per family.

You are married and have a child already. Last night, you found your wife was pregnant again. If the child is born, it will have to be kept a secret. It is likely that if it is discovered, you will be jailed, and the baby may be killed. If you do report it, however, it will definitely be aborted, and it is possible your wife and yourself may be jailed for failing to use proper family planning procedures to remove the chance of pregnancy. You are, however, far more likely to be put into community service.

The trouble is that your wife wants to keep the baby. What do you do?

Force her to report it?
Report it yourself?
Try to get a black market abortion kit so that it will not be discovered?
Or agree to keep it?

[Vector]

. . . I'll leave this to the dudes, because I am incapable of being in (and generally thinking through) such a situation.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I might have one that could work.
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No, that one is too outright linked to abortion.

[Dsarker]

Roger that.

[Soadreqm]

. . . I'll leave this to the dudes, because I am incapable of being in (and generally thinking through) such a situation.

Just swap the genders. You found that you're pregnant and your husband wants to keep the baby.

For my part, one of the "report" options sounds like the way to go. There's basically no way my hypothetical wife and I will be able to provide the child a caring home while simultaneously keeping him/her hidden from authorities. And a DIY abortion sounds just a little bit risky.

[Antioch]

Ah, missed this one!

dilemma one:
abolish the death sentence, problem solved(seriously why does it still exist?), otherwise carry out the sentence, nobody is the same person he was yesterday.
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How is this even a dilemma? How can someone even CONSIDER doing something like that. Killing someone for your personal gain, in what state whatsoever is one of the most despicable acts conceivable.
3
Die of course, what would you live for?
4
Take a small amount of water and leave the rest.
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shoot the dictator, terminating a disease through genocide? Increase efforts to gain the trust of the people.
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What do you do when you suspect someone will get murdered? Call the police, they will probably halt the termination until a solution can be found.