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[MetalSlimeHunt]

As I've said before, I find 1984 to be a super uplifting book
Major spoiler, possibly even for those who've read it:

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The afterward that comes with every book is about Newspeak. It's written in universe. And it's clearly in past tense. Ingsoc *loses* in such a way that knowledge isn't lost!

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I myself like the interpretation that the Disputed Zone wasn't actually a perpetual area of warfare between Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia, but was really the location last modern and enlightened society, able to slowly fight off all three superstates at once because of the engrained inefficiency of said superstates. Oceania just doesn't want anyone to know about that.

That, or the possibility that Ingsoc is full of liars and that not only do the other two nations not really exist, but Oceania doesn't really control anything outside of Airstrip One, instead being a North Korea-esq minor nation.

[Dsarker]

As I've said before, I find 1984 to be a super uplifting book
Major spoiler, possibly even for those who've read it:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The afterward that comes with every book is about Newspeak. It's written in universe. And it's clearly in past tense. Ingsoc *loses* in such a way that knowledge isn't lost!

Or he's writing it in the past tense of "this is a novel about what could happen, this is how it happened in the book, DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN OR WE ARE BUGGERED"

[Glowcat]

This latest Ethical Dilemma isn't very hard compared to the previous one.

I laugh at their offer and inform them my statue will be built over their rotting corpses. I will rejoice in my legend as a new era is brought to the fore of history. I will be triumphant in death whereas all their efforts would have been for naught but sadness and despair. They then kill me as if it were a great punishment, but I had already accepted death, and their actions become even more pathetic.

[Dsarker]

But then your followers, lost without your guidance, splinter and break away. And you are forgotten, never to be remembered again.

[anzki4]

But then your followers, lost without your guidance, splinter and break away. And you are forgotten, never to be remembered again.

Nope:

If you do not, they will execute you on television instead to try and demoralize the resistance. Given that they know that you could die at any point, this would be far less harmful to the resistance, and likely will not save the government.

[Dsarker]

Or they could just go the soviet Russia route and break your will to resist, get you to confess to your crimes on television, then execute you.

[Strife26]

Or they could just go the soviet Russia route and break your will to resist, get you to confess to your crimes on television, then execute you.

That's the major risk, and why I had to include the caveat that self termination might be required. However, the scenario laid out seemed to place a time restraint on the gov't, and breaking someone takes time.

[Africa]

Here's a dilemma I had IRL, although luck made us not have to decide.

So you're in a group of people backpacking across a desert. There's basically no drinkable water to be found anywhere except for in towns, and towns are so far apart that you encounter one every couple days. That means camping in the middle of nowhere for 2-3 nights in a row, which means before the hike you had to cache bottles of water at each night camp. When you reach the camps you find the water, and you ideally have enough for cooking dinner and breakfast and to drink for the whole next day.

So you get to your night camp and can't find your stash - it doesn't seem to be where it should be. You search the area and find numerous other caches of water bottles, which all in all are plenty for the group, but those bottles must also have been cached by hikers like yourselves.

There's no cell phone reception at the camp so calling for help is not an option. It's getting dark so neither is moving on. Do you attempt to go without water, endangering your lives, or do you take the other bottles of water you've found, endangering the lives of other hikers? Both IRL and in the hypothetical, taking the water then resupplying it is not an option because you may not be able to get new water to the camp again in time, not to mention that if the new water bottles aren't in exactly the right place, the other hikers will assume it's not theirs and be forced to face the same dilemma.

IRL, we got lucky and a guy drove his jeep out with about 100 liters of water to drop at the camp just in case anyone needed it. Still, what should you do?

[Vector]

Take a little bit from each stash.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Water isn't exactly something you can shortchange, especially in the desert. Taking just a little bit may very well kill your group and the group that planted them.

[Vector]

Water isn't exactly something you can shortchange, especially in the desert. Taking just a little bit may very well kill your group and the group that planted them.

Ah, wait, the point was that if you took EVERYTHING, you'd be fine?

Hurgh.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Ah, wait, the point was that if you took EVERYTHING, you'd be fine?

I'm not sure. I just know that in the desert people are pretty much hemorrhaging water during all hours of the day, so just taking some of the bottles might not be sufficient for either group's survival.  Africa is the one who has actually done desert hiking, though, so he should be able to clarify if this is true or not.

[shadenight123]

well, if they cached it there, it's because they thought that maybe they would need it. If they depart in the desert, they know it's there as a safety measure, not as a necessity
(aka, they might go there to see, but i'ts not like they are going to expect the water to be there. since by cacheing it, they have proven to be not first time desert seers)
this is if you're referring to the Caching techniques usually implied by military forces, and not to the simple "they placed some bottles there to make it a safe stop, knowing they will go there soon"
in the first case, i'd take it, move on and search for a radio signal, to then phone and warn the ...central hikers hq? that we had to take cached bottles to survive, so to send someone to refill it.
(maybe it's what happened to you in RL) .in the latter, well, it depends on the group of hikers, since it's a couple of days, you might reach the next camp, travelling by night instead of by day to
avoid the sunny hours, and the heat, but even then it would still be pretty risky, being dark and all. so i'd still take the water, and still warn the hq.

[breadbocks]

Get back to a town ASAP. At worst you're two days of hiking away, and you are hopefully only one day away. So just hurry your butt on over and get water there.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

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Will you take the deal?

Yes, take the deal and live out your days in luxury.
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No, refuse the deal and die to save the resistance.
    - 35 (77.8%)

Total Members Voted: 45

Alright, updated the poll and title for Africa's dilemma.