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Taricus

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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Somthing Worth Dying For
« Reply #225 on: July 03, 2011, 02:50:34 pm »

No, Because what's stopping them from shooting me after I denounce my group. At least with telling them to shove it up there gluteus maximus I'm going to know they shot me. And I doubt a few rebels would leave me alive if I did turn my back to them to.

Not to mention that if I was the dictator in question, I'd like them to be honourable enough to choose death as well.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Somthing Worth Dying For
« Reply #226 on: July 03, 2011, 02:54:39 pm »

I would die for the resistance. There is no way I could live with myself if I betrayed my own revolution. Hopefully, the resistance would continue on without me and crush the corrupt bastards who run the nation.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Somthing Worth Dying For
« Reply #227 on: July 03, 2011, 03:33:31 pm »

I would choose death. As others said, government would probably kill me anyway and even if it wouldn't, someone on the resistance would probably do so because my betrayal. On the other hand;
And spend my last few days thinking of something to say on the national TV... if I have to go, I may as well go well. who knows, maybe the revolution will be boosted by that.
They would probably gag you to prevent you for making any rebellious statements. That considered, I might accept the offer and then, when I am supposed to renounce the resistance, I give some comment inflaming it instead. After which government would probably kill me.

What would be worse than dying, would be torture and that I maybe could not bear....
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Somthing Worth Dying For
« Reply #228 on: July 03, 2011, 03:36:22 pm »

what makes you think that you will be able to speak on national TV at will? they are going to record it probably.

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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Somthing Worth Dying For
« Reply #229 on: July 03, 2011, 03:39:12 pm »

No, Because what's stopping them from shooting me after I denounce my group.
what makes you think that you will be able to speak on national TV at will? they are going to record it probably.
For the purposes of the scenario, they will keep their end of the bargin should you accept the deal (be that out of pragmatism or honor), and will be having you speak on live TV to increase the impact of the event
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Somthing Worth Dying For
« Reply #230 on: July 03, 2011, 03:45:13 pm »

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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Somthing Worth Dying For
« Reply #231 on: July 03, 2011, 04:03:17 pm »

For the purposes of the scenario, they will keep their end of the bargin should you accept the deal (be that out of pragmatism or honor), and will be having you speak on live TV to increase the impact of the event
Do they execute you live TV? If so, do they gag you, or can you make your statement there?
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Somthing Worth Dying For
« Reply #232 on: July 03, 2011, 04:10:30 pm »

For the purposes of the scenario, they will keep their end of the bargin should you accept the deal (be that out of pragmatism or honor), and will be having you speak on live TV to increase the impact of the event
Do they execute you live TV? If so, do they gag you, or can you make your statement there?
Yeah, they execute you on live TV as well. You don't get a microphone, for obvious reasons.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Somthing Worth Dying For
« Reply #233 on: July 03, 2011, 04:21:45 pm »

You can still grin however... that may be enough.

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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Somthing Worth Dying For
« Reply #234 on: July 03, 2011, 04:28:04 pm »

I'd die, because there's much worse things that can happen than death.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Somthing Worth Dying For
« Reply #235 on: July 03, 2011, 04:41:03 pm »

I might take the deal; I am a coward, and depending on the degree to which myself and my loved ones could be assured protection, and the extent of my moral fortitude at the time, I might consider it more worth my while to continue surviving. On the other hand, if I posit that I could first have gotten the point of being Zero, I'd probably be perfectly willing to die for the resistance since, in becoming the leader of this thing, I could have died randomly at any moment without a chance to save myself. I'd already have to have given up my life, effectively, to lead a resistance like this, and dying to continue it would be just one more step in continuing with the dedication I'd already have to have. So I voted for dying, since the situation posits a fundamental shift in who I am in the first place.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Somthing Worth Dying For
« Reply #236 on: July 03, 2011, 05:12:13 pm »

There's no way I would ever end up in that situation, because it has "charismatic" as a job descriptor.

Other than that, though--yeah, I'd take the execution.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Somthing Worth Dying For
« Reply #237 on: July 03, 2011, 05:37:16 pm »

There's no way I would ever end up in that situation, because it has "charismatic" as a job descriptor.

Oh, right. Another reason I will never have to make this choice, or one it resembles.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Something Worth Dying For
« Reply #238 on: July 03, 2011, 06:22:52 pm »

You know, the first reply tothe first post makes it funny
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Something Worth Dying For
« Reply #239 on: July 03, 2011, 07:13:01 pm »

The correct choice that I think I should take is to die for the cause. I, as in, the person who would probably never lead a rebellion, could possibly take the deal. It also depends on how much luxury we are talking about, the kind of death. If I believed the cause strongly enough, which is unlikely for the kind of cause stated (the new government wouldn't really be likely to be any better than the old, unless the old is North Korea level of horrific), and/or hated the government enough, which is not really likely either (I'd probably hate it, but not "sacrifice life to inconvenience them" hate).

It also depends on what exact effects my death and my denounce are likely to cause, how long the present government is likely to last (when it falls, I'm pretty certainly going to be killed by the new government if I take the deal), if they also want me to tell them where my friends are, how strongly I have to denounce them (do I have to call them evil monsters, can I go the "good intentions but misguided" route, etc.), etc.
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