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[Gantolandon]

Capital punishment is nearly instantaneous (in the sense that it rarely lasts longer then 15 minutes tops). The treatments we're talking about here will involve involuntary, excruciating pain for up to several months (or multiple painkiller addictions), as well as the knowledge that you were someone else and did something horrible in that form, along with the stigmata of a murderer/rapist/pedophile/jaywalker because others may not know or care your personality has changed. And then there's the very real possibility that the chance is not for the better. Results such as lack of self-control, lack of empathy, trouble with processing sensory data and epilepsy have been reported and it's not exactly clear what you can and can't damage.


And I haven't even touched upon the kind of research that would be needed to get a project like this to work.

I agree, this idea no longer seems good after being presented this way. I didn't take technical side of this process into account and - considering that the OP talked specifically about brain damage - could be pretty nasty.

[G-Flex]

Capital punishment is nearly instantaneous (in the sense that it rarely lasts longer then 15 minutes tops). The treatments we're talking about here will involve involuntary, excruciating pain for up to several months (or multiple painkiller addictions), as well as the knowledge that you were someone else and did something horrible in that form, along with the stigmata of a murderer/rapist/pedophile/jaywalker because others may not know or care your personality has changed. And then there's the very real possibility that the chance is not for the better. Results such as lack of self-control, lack of empathy, trouble with processing sensory data and epilepsy have been reported and it's not exactly clear what you can and can't damage.


And I haven't even touched upon the kind of research that would be needed to get a project like this to work.

This is all completely hypothetical and speculative and silly. Why are you assuming so many things about a treatment that is, on its face, completely absurd? There is absolutely no reason to think that a "personality rewrite" is possible, and no current science would support it, never mind having the technology required to actually do it. To say that a "personality rewrite" would cause lots of pain and trauma is like saying that "teleporting" would be carcinogenic. The hypothetical we're delving into here is so far-fetched and out-of-reach of current science and technology that it's patently ridiculous to assume anything like that.

[Africa]

Ignoring the fact that civilized countries don't have the death penalty, and that civilized countries DEFINITELY don't have the death penalty for non-first-degree-murder, it calls for an entirely new body of law. In this hypothetical case though, I'd say you have to go ahead and punish them, because there's no framework within the law for convincing people that a person's personality has changed. The insanity defense, afaik, which might help here, only applies to the trial itself.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Ignoring the fact that civilized countries don't have the death penalty, and that civilized countries DEFINITELY don't have the death penalty for non-first-degree-murder, it calls for an entirely new body of law.

So Japan, the USA, and India are not civilized countries to you?

Don't get me wrong, the death penalty shouldn't be practiced anywhere, but that's demonstrably false.

[andrea]

So Japan, the USA, and India are not civilized countries to you?

I think that is exactly what he said.

[Vattic]

I'm slightly confused by the premise. You say he is still in possession of his knowledge but does this include memories?

I haven't voted but I'm currently leaning on the side of releasing him but keeping a close eye on him. My reasoning is that, given the premise, he isn't the same person any more. If he knows what his previous self did, or especially if he remembers what happened, I'd imagine he'd understand the fear that he'd kill again and so would consent to regular psych evaluations.

[Virex]

Capital punishment is nearly instantaneous (in the sense that it rarely lasts longer then 15 minutes tops). The treatments we're talking about here will involve involuntary, excruciating pain for up to several months (or multiple painkiller addictions), as well as the knowledge that you were someone else and did something horrible in that form, along with the stigmata of a murderer/rapist/pedophile/jaywalker because others may not know or care your personality has changed. And then there's the very real possibility that the chance is not for the better. Results such as lack of self-control, lack of empathy, trouble with processing sensory data and epilepsy have been reported and it's not exactly clear what you can and can't damage.


And I haven't even touched upon the kind of research that would be needed to get a project like this to work.

This is all completely hypothetical and speculative and silly. Why are you assuming so many things about a treatment that is, on its face, completely absurd? There is absolutely no reason to think that a "personality rewrite" is possible, and no current science would support it, never mind having the technology required to actually do it. To say that a "personality rewrite" would cause lots of pain and trauma is like saying that "teleporting" would be carcinogenic. The hypothetical we're delving into here is so far-fetched and out-of-reach of current science and technology that it's patently ridiculous to assume anything like that.

We know one treatment that works: Jamming a steel nail through your prefrontal cortex, so it's less hypothetical then you think.

[Armok]

Ignoring the fact that civilized countries don't have the death penalty, and that civilized countries DEFINITELY don't have the death penalty for non-first-degree-murder, it calls for an entirely new body of law.

So Japan, the USA, and India are not civilized countries to you?

Don't get me wrong, the death penalty shouldn't be practiced anywhere, but that's demonstrably false.

Hentai, bible belt, caste system.

[G-Flex]

Capital punishment is nearly instantaneous (in the sense that it rarely lasts longer then 15 minutes tops). The treatments we're talking about here will involve involuntary, excruciating pain for up to several months (or multiple painkiller addictions), as well as the knowledge that you were someone else and did something horrible in that form, along with the stigmata of a murderer/rapist/pedophile/jaywalker because others may not know or care your personality has changed. And then there's the very real possibility that the chance is not for the better. Results such as lack of self-control, lack of empathy, trouble with processing sensory data and epilepsy have been reported and it's not exactly clear what you can and can't damage.


And I haven't even touched upon the kind of research that would be needed to get a project like this to work.

This is all completely hypothetical and speculative and silly. Why are you assuming so many things about a treatment that is, on its face, completely absurd? There is absolutely no reason to think that a "personality rewrite" is possible, and no current science would support it, never mind having the technology required to actually do it. To say that a "personality rewrite" would cause lots of pain and trauma is like saying that "teleporting" would be carcinogenic. The hypothetical we're delving into here is so far-fetched and out-of-reach of current science and technology that it's patently ridiculous to assume anything like that.

We know one treatment that works: Jamming a steel nail through your prefrontal cortex, so it's less hypothetical then you think.

No, we don't. We do not know any "treatment" that erases your personality and replaces it with a new one. The only remotely similar thing I can think of was the Phineas Gage accident, which was an accident and not a treatment, and produced some change in temperament but was nowhere near a total loss of personality. If you're going to say things like this, please at least back it up with something.

[Fenrir]

We know one treatment that works: Jamming a steel nail through your prefrontal cortex, so it's less hypothetical then you think.

That sounds rather like jamming a nail into your hard drive and expecting such an action to reformat the drive and install a new operating system.

[Virex]

We know one treatment that works: Jamming a steel nail through your prefrontal cortex, so it's less hypothetical then you think.

That sounds rather like jamming a nail into your hard drive and expecting such an action to reformat the drive and install a new operating system.

Hence my problem with any country that would administer such an operation to it's inmates

Capital punishment is nearly instantaneous (in the sense that it rarely lasts longer then 15 minutes tops). The treatments we're talking about here will involve involuntary, excruciating pain for up to several months (or multiple painkiller addictions), as well as the knowledge that you were someone else and did something horrible in that form, along with the stigmata of a murderer/rapist/pedophile/jaywalker because others may not know or care your personality has changed. And then there's the very real possibility that the chance is not for the better. Results such as lack of self-control, lack of empathy, trouble with processing sensory data and epilepsy have been reported and it's not exactly clear what you can and can't damage.


And I haven't even touched upon the kind of research that would be needed to get a project like this to work.

This is all completely hypothetical and speculative and silly. Why are you assuming so many things about a treatment that is, on its face, completely absurd? There is absolutely no reason to think that a "personality rewrite" is possible, and no current science would support it, never mind having the technology required to actually do it. To say that a "personality rewrite" would cause lots of pain and trauma is like saying that "teleporting" would be carcinogenic. The hypothetical we're delving into here is so far-fetched and out-of-reach of current science and technology that it's patently ridiculous to assume anything like that.

We know one treatment that works: Jamming a steel nail through your prefrontal cortex, so it's less hypothetical then you think.

No, we don't. We do not know any "treatment" that erases your personality and replaces it with a new one. The only remotely similar thing I can think of was the Phineas Gage accident, which was an accident and not a treatment, and produced some change in temperament but was nowhere near a total loss of personality. If you're going to say things like this, please at least back it up with something.

Maybe the term Lobotomy rings a bell? I'm sorry if I was to quick in assuming this was common knowledge, but it's well documented that a lobotomy can "cure" patients of disorders by among others changing their personality, although it is unclear if there is any relation to the fact that it often leaves them incapacitated in other ways as well.

[Fenrir]

Jesus Christ. “Oh, this little beggar is acting up again. Let us cut out pieces of his brain!” Things like this almost drive me to partake in the general sentiment of misanthropy I see in many places.

[Shambling Zombie]

The Death Penalty is barbaric in the extreme, so I wouldn't support anything to do with it. However, someone's personality changing doesn't change that they commited the crime, although maybe they would serve their sentence in a mental facility, what with the brain damage and all.

My two cents.

[G-Flex]

We know one treatment that works: Jamming a steel nail through your prefrontal cortex, so it's less hypothetical then you think.

That sounds rather like jamming a nail into your hard drive and expecting such an action to reformat the drive and install a new operating system.

Hence my problem with any country that would administer such an operation to it's inmates

Capital punishment is nearly instantaneous (in the sense that it rarely lasts longer then 15 minutes tops). The treatments we're talking about here will involve involuntary, excruciating pain for up to several months (or multiple painkiller addictions), as well as the knowledge that you were someone else and did something horrible in that form, along with the stigmata of a murderer/rapist/pedophile/jaywalker because others may not know or care your personality has changed. And then there's the very real possibility that the chance is not for the better. Results such as lack of self-control, lack of empathy, trouble with processing sensory data and epilepsy have been reported and it's not exactly clear what you can and can't damage.


And I haven't even touched upon the kind of research that would be needed to get a project like this to work.

This is all completely hypothetical and speculative and silly. Why are you assuming so many things about a treatment that is, on its face, completely absurd? There is absolutely no reason to think that a "personality rewrite" is possible, and no current science would support it, never mind having the technology required to actually do it. To say that a "personality rewrite" would cause lots of pain and trauma is like saying that "teleporting" would be carcinogenic. The hypothetical we're delving into here is so far-fetched and out-of-reach of current science and technology that it's patently ridiculous to assume anything like that.

We know one treatment that works: Jamming a steel nail through your prefrontal cortex, so it's less hypothetical then you think.

No, we don't. We do not know any "treatment" that erases your personality and replaces it with a new one. The only remotely similar thing I can think of was the Phineas Gage accident, which was an accident and not a treatment, and produced some change in temperament but was nowhere near a total loss of personality. If you're going to say things like this, please at least back it up with something.

Maybe the term Lobotomy rings a bell? I'm sorry if I was to quick in assuming this was common knowledge, but it's well documented that a lobotomy can "cure" patients of disorders by among others changing their personality, although it is unclear if there is any relation to the fact that it often leaves them incapacitated in other ways as well.

A lobotomy can screw with someone's temperament and psychological condition, yes. It does not replace their personality with a new one whatsoever. Nothing does that, as far as I know.

[Felius]

Ignoring the fact that civilized countries don't have the death penalty, and that civilized countries DEFINITELY don't have the death penalty for non-first-degree-murder, it calls for an entirely new body of law.

So Japan, the USA, and India are not civilized countries to you?

Don't get me wrong, the death penalty shouldn't be practiced anywhere, but that's demonstrably false.

Hentai, bible belt, caste system.

Hey, what's the problem with hentai?  Sure there are parts of it that are quite disturbing, but I don't see how it is that much worse than pieces of live action porn. In fact, certain live action porn can be as much or more disturbing than hentai.