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Fenrir

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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2011, 01:15:10 pm »

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The man is not faking.

I think it is presumed that the people in this fictional scenario can tell when someone is faking a change in personality, unless MetalSlimeHunt gave us godlike knowledge to further complicate the matter.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2011, 01:31:51 pm »

It's highly unlikely that a traumatic brain injury won't result in severe cognitive impairment as well as a radical personality change. That alone justifies clemency.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2011, 01:43:41 pm »

Release him. There are no bad implications or precedent set by releasing him; people here have said so, but I simply don't see why, and no purpose is served by executing the man. The murderer is effectively already dead and replaced by someone else.

You've allowed the "my brain has been changed enough that I'm a different person" exception to any sentence. Believe you me, it's going to get used by just about every death row inmate who has currently burned all their appeals.

No you haven't. It was specified that the man isn't faking and that the evidence bears this out past the point of any reasonable doubt. If someone were trying to fake this, it would be easy to discover that they are.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2011, 02:20:41 pm »

Release the man, but try to find the exact nature of the changes first. After managing to find the proper procedure of personality rewrite, replace death sentence with the new punishment.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2011, 02:27:43 pm »

Would not replacing a personality be just as horrible a punishment as a death sentence?
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2011, 02:30:12 pm »

Reduced sentence, I guess. Juridicial punishment is, as been said before, to keep dangerous people away from and try to rehabilitate them back into society. I don't believe this man could be called a "new" man or anything like that, but I would consider him rehabilitated. And he should be treated as such.

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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2011, 02:31:43 pm »

Not 'as horrible'. It doesn't waste the body (and the brain) after all. It's still not very humane, but a country having death penalty could as well offer personality rewrite instead.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2011, 02:44:04 pm »

So the only thing that makes you suppose that the only sorrow in death and horror in murder is that a body and brain is wasted? Wasted for what purposes?
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2011, 02:44:53 pm »

So the only thing that makes you suppose that the only sorrow in death and horror in murder is that a body and brain is wasted?

He didn't imply that. He said that not wasting a developed body and brain makes it less horrible, not that it isn't horrible at all.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2011, 02:48:05 pm »

Well then, one must wonder why he chose an option that he knows is not humane.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2011, 03:03:00 pm »

Because it is more Humane then the alternative?

I really don't know what your getting at there.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2011, 03:04:45 pm »

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Well then, one must wonder why he chose an option that he knows is not humane.

Because other ones were even less humane. Seriously, execute a man who doesn't even remember the crime he committed and is incapable to commit it again? Or put him to prison as an extraordinary act of "mercy"? "Hey, dude, some guy who previously occupied your body has killed someone, but don't worry! You're not him, so you just get some prison instead. Isn't it wonderful?".

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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2011, 03:16:11 pm »

Wait, I thought he was saying that intentionally rewriting someone's personality is more humane than the death penalty.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2011, 03:20:09 pm »

In my opinion he is a changed man, but that doesn't excuse him murdering his wife. I don't think he deserves death row (or most people for the matter) but he still deserves time in jail. I would personally just give him life in jail.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2011, 03:24:07 pm »

How is that remotely just? You aren't even punishing the same person anymore. The guy who committed the murder is effectively dead. The person he is now doesn't even remember the murder. There is absolutely no purpose served by keeping him in jail.

I mean, what possible social implication could freeing him have? That you can get away with murdering someone if you completely change who you are through a freak accident afterwards, even though there's pretty much no chance of that being possible?
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