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MetalSlimeHunt

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Ethical Dilemmas: PURPLE ALERT
« on: June 25, 2011, 07:10:11 am »

Ethical dilemmas are fun to engage in and provoke both discussion and thought, so I figure I'd create a thread for them.







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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2011, 07:12:42 am »

Give him some rag tag gear, like a short sword, and some leather armour, then release him into a massive dungeon and tell him to go find the holy relic at the end.
Problem solved.

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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2011, 07:14:35 am »

Give him some rag tag gear, like a short sword, and some leather armour, then release him into a massive dungeon and tell him to go find the holy relic at the end.
Problem solved.
If we're following standard roguelike procedure here, he has a 99% chance of dying, and a 1% chance of coming back and being strong enough to kill the world.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2011, 07:17:24 am »

Continue with the execution. The problem in this case is that if you give this person amnesty, then "personality change" becomes a valid defense against any kind of punishment, with the chance that inmates and potentially even desperate suspects will purposefully start to maim each other or themselves. Executing someone who could be regarded as innocent is, in this case, preferable to releasing him due to the very real possibility that releasing him will cause far greater problems.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2011, 07:28:31 am »

Continue with the execution. The problem in this case is that if you give this person amnesty, then "personality change" becomes a valid defense against any kind of punishment, with the chance that inmates and potentially even desperate suspects will purposefully start to maim each other or themselves. Executing someone who could be regarded as innocent is, in this case, preferable to releasing him due to the very real possibility that releasing him will cause far greater problems.

Yeah, I agree with you. Just because someone got amnesia means he's never done the deed. If he were to be freed, then, like Virex's summary, prisoners would go and beat up themselves in the hope they forget and their minds get altered in a way that their personality change is indeed true.

And since it's a brain damage, it's quite possible they recover. In that case, they would have suceeded what they were trying to achieve.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2011, 07:31:53 am »

And since it's a brain damage, it's quite possible they recover. In that case, they would have suceeded what they were trying to achieve.
For the purposes of the scenario, the chances of the old personality coming back are all but zero. Possible in the same way it's possible that a black hole will spontaniously form from particles colliding in the atmosphere.

Just because someone got amnesia means he's never done the deed.
Also, this isn't simply amnesia. This is a personality rewrite. Nothing meaningful of the previous personality remains. For example, the man's favorite foods have all changed around.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2011, 07:33:34 am »

Now I'm not exactly sure of this, as in Australia we don't have the death sentence, but over there in the US of A where you have a 'Texan barbecue' for each wedding, don't you need to be in good health to be executed? So they couldn't kill him because he isn't in good mental health?

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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2011, 07:34:46 am »

I don't agree with capital punishment due to the risk of innocent deaths, so I couldn't go with that option, but I also couldn't really see releasing him immediately as a good option. I think that he should probably be released on parole and watched closely, maybe placed under house arrest or forced to do community service or something, for a pretty long time, but I don't think jail time would have any real benefit, as it's placing a man in a dangerous place for a crime he doesn't believe he really committed. It'd just make him angry and resentful (note: I'm guessing this because it would just make me angry and resentful), whereas having him do something positive as punishment might work out better.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2011, 07:45:21 am »

Now I'm not exactly sure of this, as in Australia we don't have the death sentence, but over there in the US of A where you have a 'Texan barbecue' for each wedding, don't you need to be in good health to be executed? So they couldn't kill him because he isn't in good mental health?
A. The USA only performed 46 executions last year. While that is still one of the highest rates in the world, it is significantly less than North Korea's unreliable statistic of 64, Iran's unreliable statistic of about 250, and the People's Republic of China's unreleased number (independent estimations place the true number at over 6000).

B. I can find nothing confirming or denying that you need to be in good health to be executed in the USA.

I think that he should probably be released on parole and watched closely, maybe placed under house arrest or forced to do community service or something, for a pretty long time, but I don't think jail time would have any real benefit, as it's placing a man in a dangerous place for a crime he doesn't believe he really committed.
Removed the "in prison" from the third poll option to better reflect this position. Option three now covers any sort of punitive measure against the man after being removed from death row.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2011, 07:47:30 am »

I can't actually alter my vote anymore, though.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2011, 07:52:44 am »

I can't actually alter my vote anymore, though.
I clearly remember checking "Allow users to change their vote." This is treason from the forum code.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2011, 07:55:18 am »

Oh, I could do it before. Maybe there's a limit.

What's your opinion on this, by the way? Or are you keeping out of the discussion to remain neutral or something to that effect?
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2011, 08:01:34 am »

What's your opinion on this, by the way? Or are you keeping out of the discussion to remain neutral or something to that effect?
Nah, I just haven't stated. This is hardly a scientific study.

Mine is the one vote for letting the guy go scott free. As we can see with things like frontal lobotomies, your personality as determined by your brain is what makes you "you". If it gets damaged and compensated for in such a way that the old personality dies off and a new one asserts itself, then it isn't the same person at all, as far as I'm concerned. As such, not only is the man on death row innocent of commiting murder, but the punishment against the murderer has been carried out in the technical sense. The murderer's mind is dead, the way I see it, even though his body lives on and has produced another mind. I don't actually support capital punishment, but that's another factor to the situation.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: Personality Loss
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2011, 08:05:20 am »

I would support letting him off scottfree but there's something stopping me. It doesn't feel right to let a man go just like that, even if he's not the same person who committed the murder. There's something in me that says it's not right to just let him go completely. I'm not for prison, in any way, but I think he should try and pay the checks his previous mind wrote. Maybe it'd even help him move on from the fact that his hands have killed, who knows. Certainly he'd need psychiatric help.
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