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MorleyDev

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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: The Water of Life
« Reply #330 on: July 07, 2011, 06:18:09 pm »

But you already clarified it, so I see no need for further debate about it.

Ah, I see. It was the word "another" in your statement. I assumed it would be obvious that for their to be another, there must be others. So I stand by my yes, it is another form of selfishness, and sorry I did not communicate it better ^^

As for this problem, they don't want to be immunised? Fine they keep dying, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: For The Greater Good?
« Reply #331 on: July 07, 2011, 06:19:52 pm »

So kill the infectees, or let them live?
Not exactly. Reston-H has a 95% mortality rate in infectees, but the Leader's plan is to just shoot everyone whom you can't immunize to ensure that it doesn't break out again among his "clean" population,

As for this problem, they don't want to be immunised? Fine they keep dying, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
They don't want Reston-H, they're paranoid of you. They believe you are trying to kill them with the vaccine.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: For The Greater Good?
« Reply #332 on: July 07, 2011, 06:21:22 pm »

I guess I'd have to take the logical route and help the Leader. Assuming there's no way of winning the people over to let themselves be vaccinated, and they have already caused the outbreak of a disease with a 95% mortality rate, the needs of the many and all that.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: For The Greater Good?
« Reply #333 on: July 07, 2011, 06:22:24 pm »

Actually I'd be tempted to go straight for blackmail, just issue a threat that if they don't give in by a certain date we'll let him take over and do it anyway. If they still refuse, take the deal. If they give in, well crisis averted.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: For The Greater Good?
« Reply #334 on: July 07, 2011, 06:23:32 pm »

I would make my own plan:
The state is occupied, then everyone infected. Then everyone who is already sick, will be quarantined to some part of the country, from where everyone who doesn't have the infection is moved elsewhere.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: For The Greater Good?
« Reply #335 on: July 07, 2011, 06:24:34 pm »

"Life is the illness. I am the cure."

Seriously now, if there's only a percentage that cannot be immunized, then it should be possible to keep them away from infectees. Also, is it worth it to kill somebody only because they might contract a deadly disease and die anyway? That's a waste of resources and stuff, never mind that those people would live longer, and might not even contract the disease at all.

So here's a compromise: immunize everybody, and if it doesn't work on somebody... well, tough luck, but there's no reason to kill them now if they're gonna die later anyway.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: For The Greater Good?
« Reply #336 on: July 07, 2011, 06:25:08 pm »

The state is occupied, then everyone infected. Then everyone who is already sick, will be quarantined to some part of the country, from where everyone who doesn't have the infection is moved elsewhere.
The Leader isn't going to accept that plan. He is perhaps one of the most pragmatic people on the planet. If he invades, the infected cannot be allowed to live.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: For The Greater Good?
« Reply #337 on: July 07, 2011, 06:25:58 pm »

If he'd be pragmatic, he wouldn't kill them because it would be stupid and useless.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: For The Greater Good?
« Reply #338 on: July 07, 2011, 06:27:14 pm »

Killing the infected would prevent the disease from spreading at all, eliminating it from the face of the earth. Hardly "stupid and useless"
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: For The Greater Good?
« Reply #339 on: July 07, 2011, 06:27:39 pm »

Not if everybody's immunized :V
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: For The Greater Good?
« Reply #340 on: July 07, 2011, 06:32:15 pm »

If he'd be pragmatic, he wouldn't kill them because it would be stupid and useless.
Not if everybody's immunized :V
If someone is infected with Reston-H, it gives way to the potential that it will either mutate around the current vaccine or find fresh human hosts in order to continue propagating. As long as there is someone who is a living infected or open to infection who cannot be given immunization, a disease with Reston-H's infection rate still has the potential to survive.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: For The Greater Good?
« Reply #341 on: July 07, 2011, 06:33:00 pm »

Then proceed to plan K.

Also, there's a little thing called quarantine.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: For The Greater Good?
« Reply #342 on: July 07, 2011, 06:33:19 pm »

Bullets are presumably cheaper and more easily administered than vaccines.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: For The Greater Good?
« Reply #343 on: July 07, 2011, 06:34:10 pm »

Bullets are presumably cheaper and more easily administered than vaccines.
But the point is it's pretty much a package deal. Both or none.
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Re: Ethical Dilemmas: For The Greater Good?
« Reply #344 on: July 07, 2011, 06:37:53 pm »

From the dictator's perspective, if you accept the deal, it's either-or. A person will either be immunized forcibly, shot, or infected and shot. If you do not accept the deal, it's irrelevant, because presumably the dictator will not have the opportunity to forcibly immunize OR shoot anyone.
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“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
“So that the room will be empty.”
At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.
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