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[Flare]

When it all boils down to realism or feasibility, we reach a point where saving shouldn't be possible because it can't be done, crafting should take a fair bit longer for complicated things (grenades, anyone?), you've no real reason to find RAM on dead scientists, why are there underground science labs everywhere anyways, thing's shouldn't be unfinished because reality is pretty much gold master by now, and you know what, a zombie apocalypse is fairly unrealistic, y'know, where people rise up from the dead, or why you don't catch the zombie disease if it is a disease, so let's remove all that zombie nonsense, and quite simply, it's unrealistic to have a game about zombies without zombies, so let's just forgo the whole idea altogether, shall we?

For crying out loud, the entertainment is in the unrealistic or unorthodox- it boils down to escapism, a break from reality. You don't sit at a computer to play Office Peon 2009 or Super Traffic Conductor, do you?

I don't think it comes down to realism or feasibility. Realism and implementation, or how it is implemented aren't necessarily connect. There is a good way to implement facets of realism and bad ways of implementing them, in effect these are two very distinct things. Take the opposite, games wouldn't be playable even if they don't follow a particularly realistic approach if these facets are not well implemented. In short, how playable it is is not the direction of style or adherence to reality, but how the entities and rules in the game relate to each other.

Moreover, we look towards reality to gain an understanding of the world in these games. It wouldn't make much sense if most of the physical laws we take for granted in real life were absent or abandoned in the game. Likewise, we have a framework of understanding that we use from real life for games. We can accept that there are elements in the game that aren't native to this reality, but this doesn't mean that the rest of the game mustn't either. In fact, going down the route of going against all understanding of real life, however good it might be implemented, it will be very hard to make sense or and to actually have fun if it were the case.

[Flare]

My case was for ending pointless arguments over the realism of a flawed, unfinished, relatively unrealistic product. I've said my fill on the matter already so don't expect me to defend your overexaggeration and extrapolation of my post.

I'm not expecting you to defend my post, but to do yours .

It's not pointless to argue about realism here. Realism is only unfeasible if you assume that it is done poorly, which there isn't a reason to assume. You are right that there are factors in the game that don't seem very realistic, but it's neutral to whether this means that the game should continue down this road or not.

[Bobv2]

It seems to me that bashing weapons can be a bit overpowered.


I have level 8 bashing and melee and it seems no single enemy stands a chance against me.
I can stun lock Zombie Hulks and kill them without getting scratched. Is this supposed to happen?

[Angel Of Death]

Bashing weapons are overpowered as a whole. I often one shot zombies by crushing their skull when I only have 2 melee and 2 blunt skill.

[Whales]

You're supposed to be able to one-shot zombies pretty easily, depending on your weapon.  A baseball bat to the head will take out a zombie pretty easily.

[Bobv2]

I don't know. It just feels off killing a zombie hulk by stunlocking it.

Maybe my judgement is off. Are zombie hulks not among the most powerful NPC's in the game?

Actually, the lost powerful thing I've found so far are the turrets in the labs. They destroy me as soon as I open the door. How are you supposed to kill those things?


EDIT: Also, are skills supposed to reach an equilibrium of sorts, where the decay rate makes it impossible to level up any higher? I can seem to get any higher than level 8 bashing weapons because any XP I put into decays away almost immediately.

[BurnedToast]

I don't know. It just feels off killing a zombie hulk by stunlocking it.

Maybe my judgement is off. Are zombie hulks not among the most powerful NPC's in the game?

Actually, the lost powerful thing I've found so far are the turrets in the labs. They destroy me as soon as I open the door. How are you supposed to kill those things?

turrets:

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They can't see in the dark, so bring a UPS and nightvision goggles and shoot them from range. Kevlar also helps a *lot* if you do get shot.

As for hulks, well, with 8 weapon skill and 8 melee pretty much any weapon will kill them pretty easy. It might seem unbalanced but remember a gun will kill them in 2 - 3 hits before they even get to you with 0 skill required so meh.

[Angle]

2-3 shots? what kind of gun are you using? I use high accuracy, high damage .223 rifles and it still takes like 5-6 shots.

[FunctionZero]

2-3 shots? what kind of gun are you using? I use high accuracy, high damage .223 rifles and it still takes like 5-6 shots.

Get close, headshot. With .223 Remington, it should take like, 1 shot in close-quarters. Good DEX recommended though.

[BishopX]

2-3 shots? what kind of gun are you using? I use high accuracy, high damage .223 rifles and it still takes like 5-6 shots.

I use a .45 or a .44 at point blank range. The critical multiplier works wonders.

[Flying Dice]

111F Savage with silencer and sniper mod = 1HKO on anything at beyond the bounds of the screen, assuming decent PER. The downside is that you can't really practice butchering much, as most enemies end up in the 'pink mist' + red spot on ground form of post-post-death.

[ChairmanPoo]

Yeah, melee combat is overpowered as it is.

I think we need a nerf that makes it less effective against things which you shouldn't be able to whack to death (hulks, bears. Fungal spires, I guess. Ugly large things in general) but still lets you kill fast things that should be killable by it (regular zombies, etc...)

[kulik]

Yeah, melee combat is overpowered as it is.

I think we need a nerf that makes it less effective against things which you shouldn't be able to whack to death (hulks, bears. Fungal spires, I guess. Ugly large things in general) but still lets you kill fast things that should be killable by it (regular zombies, etc...)

Not another melee nerf.  Its been a while since i had high level in it thoug.

[ChairmanPoo]

*shrug* at the very least, some monsters need to be toughened up.


BTW: I've been having for a while a problem with hordes spawning almost at the beggining of the game, which I did not pay much attention to, because with a melee weapon and a chokepoint it was addressable, if prone to cause pain. I don't know if it was a design feature or not (AKA: to provide the first scare into the game. You're travelling around not seeing anything dangerous, and suddenly a gazillion zombies start to come out of alleys and (in this case) a bar).


But now, I had two mi-gos spawn on me right at the game start, inside the house. I'm assuming that was a bug?

Fake-edit: might it be related to the marloss bush growing in an intersection nearby?

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PD: What does marloss carrier do?
WOW!

[teoleo]

how i can find a guide for the new feature ( spider, new items, construction) or a faq... ?