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[Whales]

Hey Whales,

When I try to 'make' 5d470f1 I get: "game.h:20:22: fatal error: calendar.h: No such file or directory
compilation terminated." Err, maybe you forgot to add a couple of files to git that you have locally? (The most recent 'Download' from github.)

Great game BTW.

Arrrghhh every time I forget to add new files.  Thanks for pointing that out.

Well that explains it, Is it possible to kill the zombie who notices you before he calls for help, or do they just automagically teleport more in as soon as they notice you?

Bonus question: if you take parkour expert do you get the fleet footed bonus even when moving on railings etc?

Edit: I think piercing damage might be bugged or something... a wood spear is listed as 4 bash, 18 pierce. A butcher knife is listed as 4 bash, 20 cut - the spear is only 10% lower. However (with 0 skill in any related combat skills and 9 str), the knife does ~25 damage per hit, the spear does.... ~5. I had a similar problem with a metal spear doing very poor damage in an earlier game as well.

They don't teleport more in, but if it makes a path to get into your house others will have a higher chance of stumbling in.  Also a zombie that's smacking on a door or window will attract other curious zombies.

Fleet footed only applies to flat terrain, even if you have parkour expert.

Piercing damage is not bugged.  It is very weak against most monsters unless you score a critical.  The rating is higher than the damage to keep a "good" rating equal among bash, cut, and pierce.

[forsaken1111]

When do we get the ability to disguise ourselves as a zombie?

[jc6036]

Hum. Whatever happened to pawn shops? Too unbalanced or some such? I figured that with the variety of goods they could contain, the alarm would act as a counter balance to make them more fair.

[Necro910]

When do we get the ability to disguise ourselves as a zombie?

Covering yourself in rotting entrails?

HELL YEAH

[ShadeJS]

Arrrghhh every time I forget to add new files.  Thanks for pointing that out.

Seems all good now... Thanks.

[beorn080]

When do we get the ability to disguise ourselves as a zombie?

Covering yourself in rotting entrails?

HELL YEAH

Raise the cooking skill IIRC. You can make pheromones.

[Angle]

Yup, Zombie pheromone, already implemented.

[BurnedToast]

Hmmmm... I've got a reproducible lockup when picking things up - I think for some reason the game is letting me pick up too much stuff, since I'm basically at my volume limit and I think the thing I pick up pushes me over. Not totally sure that's what's happening, but the game locks up every time I pick the stuff up and I have to close it since nothing else works (it closes gracefully with no crash error or anything).

The game seems to have auto saved(?) at just about the perfect time to show it off too. Would the save be at all useful to you? I'm using the windows port if it matters (dunno if saves are compatible between versions).

Otherwise, I don't really know what info I can provide - it's happening while picking junkfood up off a shelf in a pharmacy.. I'm using the packrat perk and I already have a few of the things I'm picking up (chips and jerky) so maybe it's some kind of bug with item stacking?

[Whales]

Could be.  Please do email the save!

[BurnedToast]

sent to the email on the MotD when you start the game.

[Whales]

Heh, well, I can't even LOAD the save game, unfortunately.  It's probably a mis-matched save file format.  I need to start keeping multiple versions of the game on hand...

When I tried transplanting Toast into a new game world, the game loaded up but poor Toast had 0 HP in all slots, pointing to what is probably a corrupted save file.  This seems to happen occasionally and I'll have it worked out eventually.  Sorry it happened to you.

Thanks for sending that stuff along, even if I couldn't determine exactly what the real problem was.  And yes, sending a zip of the entire save folder is exactly what I need.

[Shades]

Just pulled trunk, did a clean rebuild and deleted my save but now the game hangs after a few steps (normally less than 20).

Generally the hang is in map::loadn in the while loop starting in line 1334.
The mapin.eof() is returning false so the loop keeps going but the value streamed to ch is \000 and so doesn't match anything.

I'm not sure why it never eofs, it's possible the bad bit is set as your not checking for stream fail just eof.
Unfortunately I don't have libc debug libraries installed so interrogating the stream is proving hard.

Edit: Seems ifstream::failbit is set.

[Blaze]

I've been playing the game a lot more recently, but I feel like there's something missing, I *think* it's ambiance. I don't really get the "Zombie Apocalypse-ish" feeling after awhile. Of course, this might not be considered a zombie apocalypse game but an apocalypse game that happens to have zombies in it so that might be the issue.

I mean, we should be avoiding combat for the most of the game, but we get rewarded skill points AND items for killing zombies, which kinda detracts from that idea. Then there's the point of getting so stupidly powerful that almost nothing can manage to kill us.

I mean, take a look at Rogue Survivor Ugh, game comparisons. Combat gives us nothing, zombies are a constant danger no matter how strong you get, food is scarce and always running out, and the music pushes down on you wherever you go. I can't really judge this game seeing as it's incomplete, but I'm hoping I can get that chill in Cataclysm like I do in RS (Have you HEARD the full sleeping music in RS?).

The self-set difficulty system in RS is nice too, since it fits with Whales' idea of player-set difficulty.

I also remember someone posting a hard-mode mod somewhere, any idea if it's getting updated?

One other thing I'd like to see is progressing characters for progressing worlds. For example. as the days pass in the world, any surviving character has to deal with increasing rareness of food and supplies from spoilage and use, larger numbers of zombies, tougher zombies, and whatever disaster the player character unleashes on the world. So, instead of rolling back the world for the next PC in that world, why not give that PC a boost in terms of skill an items to deal with this tougher world? In essence, you're taking control of another survivor that has had to survive without your guidance, thus has managed to scrounge together some items and amass some skill compared to a random PC that just poofs in out of nowhere. Sorta like reclaiming in DF.

Also bug: I've been getting spawns like blobs, zombie scientists, skitterbots, and one-eyed mutants aboveground. I think that "Underground monster spawns following you up" thing is causing it.

[Shades]

Random thing I learnt today, despite having played for a while now, the attack rate on a gun's info screen is for use in melee and unrelated to how fast you fire them....

[Whales]

Just pulled trunk, did a clean rebuild and deleted my save but now the game hangs after a few steps (normally less than 20).

Generally the hang is in map::loadn in the while loop starting in line 1334.
The mapin.eof() is returning false so the loop keeps going but the value streamed to ch is \000 and so doesn't match anything.

I'm not sure why it never eofs, it's possible the bad bit is set as your not checking for stream fail just eof.
Unfortunately I don't have libc debug libraries installed so interrogating the stream is proving hard.

Edit: Seems ifstream::failbit is set.

That's very strange indeed, I haven't seen this nor has anyone else to my knowledge.  What operating system are you on?  I guess I could be more rigorous in my use of checks in ifstream; to be honest I kind of struggle with that whole mess.

I've been playing the game a lot more recently, but I feel like there's something missing, I *think* it's ambiance. I don't really get the "Zombie Apocalypse-ish" feeling after awhile. Of course, this might not be considered a zombie apocalypse game but an apocalypse game that happens to have zombies in it so that might be the issue.

I mean, we should be avoiding combat for the most of the game, but we get rewarded skill points AND items for killing zombies, which kinda detracts from that idea. Then there's the point of getting so stupidly powerful that almost nothing can manage to kill us.

I mean, take a look at Rogue Survivor Ugh, game comparisons. Combat gives us nothing, zombies are a constant danger no matter how strong you get, food is scarce and always running out, and the music pushes down on you wherever you go. I can't really judge this game seeing as it's incomplete, but I'm hoping I can get that chill in Cataclysm like I do in RS (Have you HEARD the full sleeping music in RS?).

The self-set difficulty system in RS is nice too, since it fits with Whales' idea of player-set difficulty.

I also remember someone posting a hard-mode mod somewhere, any idea if it's getting updated?

One other thing I'd like to see is progressing characters for progressing worlds. For example. as the days pass in the world, any surviving character has to deal with increasing rareness of food and supplies from spoilage and use, larger numbers of zombies, tougher zombies, and whatever disaster the player character unleashes on the world. So, instead of rolling back the world for the next PC in that world, why not give that PC a boost in terms of skill an items to deal with this tougher world? In essence, you're taking control of another survivor that has had to survive without your guidance, thus has managed to scrounge together some items and amass some skill compared to a random PC that just poofs in out of nowhere. Sorta like reclaiming in DF.

Also bug: I've been getting spawns like blobs, zombie scientists, skitterbots, and one-eyed mutants aboveground. I think that "Underground monster spawns following you up" thing is causing it.

To be honest, ambiance isn't my primary goal, although it's nice to have.  While it's true that sound effects and music, for instance, would go a long way for that kind of thing, I'm trying to keep Cataclysm closer to a classic roguelike, forgoing any extraneous media like that.

I could definitely see toning down zombie drops, they are a little high, though I did want to provide some kind of reward for fighting them.  I also realize that the difficulty drops acutely as you get powerful, and I'll be tweaking and trying to improve that in the future.

Starting newer characters a little stronger is an interesting concept but I'm not sure it fits now.  As gameplay gets more complex, and there's actually bigger changes to the world than looting and killing monsters, I'll definitely give it some thought.

I still haven't played Rogue Survivor (only recently heard about it) and I'm not sure I want to--I feel like it might overly affect my own development!