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[alway]

Tweaks I would like to see to the XP system would be more of that scaling mentioned previously (higher xp = higher xp allocated to the skill when used) and possibly a very slow increase to stats. Stats would take huge amounts of xp, like whales mentioned, but would preferably have similar scaling to the xp allocation of skills, with a minimum cutoff number (say, for example, if you have under 3000 xp, none are allocated to stats). Though preferably the stats would still be gained slow enough for even very happy people to only get one a week or so on average. To prevent the silly stuff like 'kill 500 doors for str training,' it would preferably be allocated even without any actions (merely the passage of time) and would give you a point in a random stat. It would allow stats to increase without making the player feel obligated to do silly things to increase it and still keep the stat increases relatively rare.

As for mutation, I'm not too keen on the idea of xp affecting it, for obvious reasons including "I was so happy last week, I sprouted gills!"

[Angle]

well, remember, xp is a measurement of your long term happiness, not your short term happiness. and the gaining new mutations thing would only happen with a certain trait.

[DalGren]

Sigh. I'll be the only guy that played the game and never got a chance to bump stats up.

[Paul]

Theres already a trait that gives mutations, it's called genetically unstable. Mutates you every so often, averages to every 2 days. I don't really see why XP should help you mutate. You can get plenty of mutations just by raiding a science lab and drinking all the mutagens/eating all the body parts.

As far as raising stats, bumping them a bunch makes the game way too easy. Thats one reason I'm against making it easy to raise stats. Having a very high strength makes melee super effective and negates recoil on guns, very high int makes your skills keep going up and up and up, having really high perception makes you get headshots constantly, and a very high dex does the same but to a lesser extent - and affects melee/throwing as well.

Char with his stats to 20/20/20/20 is unstoppable.

[FunctionZero]

That just means the stat system is a bit unbalanced.

[debvon]

It pains me to know that a thrown dead rabbit will never decapitate a hulk. You know, in the spirit of The Anus of Discontent's bronze colossus kill..
Bah, I'll get a dead rabbit thrower off the ground regardless of how softly they hit (bounce?)

[Blaze]

Char with his stats to 20/20/20/20 is unstoppable.

You still wouldn't be strong/fast/smart/perceptive enough to overpower/outrun/outsmart/outsense boolet. Open a wrong door in a science lab and a turret can ace you in one round.

Maybe you could tie XP to the crafting system? If you have enough experience, you could "improvise" around the ingredients/tools of a certain item, so long as the ingredient isn't completely vital to the product. Or you could substitute another, similar item in place of a certain ingredient for a smaller XP cost.

On the subject of crafting; grenades/mines could use a boost, considering how much harder it is to get grenade ingredients compared to molotovs. It's harder to find a tin can than it is to find a glass bottle.

[The Merchant Of Menace]

A thrown dead rabbit would kill another rabbit.
So

[Paul]

Char with his stats to 20/20/20/20 is unstoppable.

You still wouldn't be strong/fast/smart/perceptive enough to overpower/outrun/outsmart/outsense boolet. Open a wrong door in a science lab and a turret can ace you in one round.

Maybe you could tie XP to the crafting system? If you have enough experience, you could "improvise" around the ingredients/tools of a certain item, so long as the ingredient isn't completely vital to the product. Or you could substitute another, similar item in place of a certain ingredient for a smaller XP cost.

On the subject of crafting; grenades/mines could use a boost, considering how much harder it is to get grenade ingredients compared to molotovs. It's harder to find a tin can than it is to find a glass bottle.

Heh, my old char ran through science labs shooting turrets down like nothing. Every so often one managed to hit him. High stats = superman

[debvon]

A thrown dead rabbit would kill another rabbit.
So

Perpetual rabbit slaying. I like the way you think.

[The Merchant Of Menace]

If you could get some sort of rabbit launcher you could have self replicating ammo.

[GlyphGryph]

Building on my last suggestion:
When you level up, and trade in higher amounts of xp for a multiplier gain - Those lost xp aren't completely gone, but distributed (partially) among relevant stats! Having over 3k experience means you spend 6xp to get 3 points towards, say, melee - with a point going towards strength and dex as well. 5k means 10xp is spent for 4skill... but 2 points go to each of skill and dex. And so on. When you get, say... a thousand points in a stat, that stat goes up a level.

[iceball3]

A thrown dead rabbit would kill another rabbit.
So

Perpetual rabbit slaying. I like the way you think.

That is, assuming she doesn't deal enough damage to overkill the target rabbit. The original thrown one should be reusable though.

[Paul]

Bug report:

Trying to figure out why accuracy wasn't working for gun mods, I found out the problem in itypedef:

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#define GUNMOD(name, rare, value, color, mat1, mat2, volume, weight, meleedam,\
               meleecut, meleehit, acc, damage, loudness, clip, recoil, burst,\
               newtype, pistol, shotgun, smg, rifle, a_a_t, des)\
  index++; itypes.push_back(new it_gunmod(index, rare, value, name, des, ':',\
                            color, mat1, mat2, volume, weight, meleedam,\
                            meleecut, meleehit, acc, 0, damage, loudness, clip,\
                            recoil, burst, newtype, a_a_t, pistol, shotgun,\
                            smg, rifle))

Should be:

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#define GUNMOD(name, rare, value, color, mat1, mat2, volume, weight, meleedam,\
               meleecut, meleehit, accuracy, damage, loudness, clip, recoil, burst,\
               newtype, pistol, shotgun, smg, rifle, a_a_t, des)\
  index++; itypes.push_back(new it_gunmod(index, rare, value, name, des, ':',\
                            color, mat1, mat2, volume, weight, meleedam,\
                            meleecut, meleehit, 0, accuracy, damage, loudness, clip,\
                            recoil, burst, newtype, a_a_t, pistol, shotgun,\
                            smg, rifle))

With those changes it properly references accuracy and all the accuracy modifying gun mods work.

Oh hey, I just found the reason people complained of being able to hit things less at high skill. Not an overflow, just a bad formula.
deviation -= rng(0, 5 * (4 - p.sklevel[firing->skill_used] - 4));

That extra 4 - in front is screwing it up, making every skill point in whatever gun you have throw off your accuracy by 5.

[DalGren]

Bug report:

Trying to figure out why accuracy wasn't working for gun mods, I found out the problem in itypedef:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

#define GUNMOD(name, rare, value, color, mat1, mat2, volume, weight, meleedam,\
               meleecut, meleehit, acc, damage, loudness, clip, recoil, burst,\
               newtype, pistol, shotgun, smg, rifle, a_a_t, des)\
  index++; itypes.push_back(new it_gunmod(index, rare, value, name, des, ':',\
                            color, mat1, mat2, volume, weight, meleedam,\
                            meleecut, meleehit, acc, 0, damage, loudness, clip,\
                            recoil, burst, newtype, a_a_t, pistol, shotgun,\
                            smg, rifle))

Should be:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

#define GUNMOD(name, rare, value, color, mat1, mat2, volume, weight, meleedam,\
               meleecut, meleehit, accuracy, damage, loudness, clip, recoil, burst,\
               newtype, pistol, shotgun, smg, rifle, a_a_t, des)\
  index++; itypes.push_back(new it_gunmod(index, rare, value, name, des, ':',\
                            color, mat1, mat2, volume, weight, meleedam,\
                            meleecut, meleehit, 0, accuracy, damage, loudness, clip,\
                            recoil, burst, newtype, a_a_t, pistol, shotgun,\
                            smg, rifle))

With those changes it properly references accuracy and all the accuracy modifying gun mods work.

Oh hey, I just found the reason people complained of being able to hit things less at high skill. Not an overflow, just a bad formula.
deviation -= rng(0, 5 * (4 - p.sklevel[firing->skill_used] - 4));

That extra 4 - in front is screwing it up, making every skill point in whatever gun you have throw off your accuracy by 5.

Quoting for visibility.