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[BishopX]

So quick gun note Whales. The MP5 has a -1 damage modifier, while the glock 19 has a +1 damage modifier. This makes no sense. The Glock has a shorter barrel and uses the same ammunition, meaning that the muzzle velocity can only be lower than the MP5. The only way this would make sense would be if the MP5 came equipped with a silencer....

Fixed.

So quick gun note Whales. The MP5 has a -1 damage modifier, while the glock 19 has a +1 damage modifier. This makes no sense. The Glock has a shorter barrel and uses the same ammunition, meaning that the muzzle velocity can only be lower than the MP5. The only way this would make sense would be if the MP5 came equipped with a silencer....

Rate of fire, recoil and gameplay balance perhaps.

Well, it's a very small modification.  I'll try it the realistic way for a while, see if it makes the MP5 overpowered.

I suppose the logical way to do it would be to take some arbitrary muzzle energy for each cartridge, and then look at how different guns modify that.

It's not really a big deal except for Pistols/SMGs which share the same rounds but have very different muzzle lengths...

[gimlet]

I've been wondering, what are the heart symbols on the tileset?

Bloody, still beating hearts ripped from victims chests? 

[pandamage]

I've been wondering, what are the heart symbols on the tileset?

I think that they are pharmacies

[FunctionZero]

I've been wondering, what are the heart symbols on the tileset?

I think that they are pharmacies

That's probably the + symbols. Or not.
In that case, what are those?

[Aklyon]

"Couldn't optimize tileset for drawing"
Is that suppose to come up, Deon?

[Whales]

So quick gun note Whales. The MP5 has a -1 damage modifier, while the glock 19 has a +1 damage modifier. This makes no sense. The Glock has a shorter barrel and uses the same ammunition, meaning that the muzzle velocity can only be lower than the MP5. The only way this would make sense would be if the MP5 came equipped with a silencer....

Fixed.

So quick gun note Whales. The MP5 has a -1 damage modifier, while the glock 19 has a +1 damage modifier. This makes no sense. The Glock has a shorter barrel and uses the same ammunition, meaning that the muzzle velocity can only be lower than the MP5. The only way this would make sense would be if the MP5 came equipped with a silencer....

Rate of fire, recoil and gameplay balance perhaps.

Well, it's a very small modification.  I'll try it the realistic way for a while, see if it makes the MP5 overpowered.

I suppose the logical way to do it would be to take some arbitrary muzzle energy for each cartridge, and then look at how different guns modify that.

It's not really a big deal except for Pistols/SMGs which share the same rounds but have very different muzzle lengths...

That's basically how it works now.  Ammo has a damage rating, and different guns modify that.

[BishopX]

So quick gun note Whales. The MP5 has a -1 damage modifier, while the glock 19 has a +1 damage modifier. This makes no sense. The Glock has a shorter barrel and uses the same ammunition, meaning that the muzzle velocity can only be lower than the MP5. The only way this would make sense would be if the MP5 came equipped with a silencer....

Fixed.

So quick gun note Whales. The MP5 has a -1 damage modifier, while the glock 19 has a +1 damage modifier. This makes no sense. The Glock has a shorter barrel and uses the same ammunition, meaning that the muzzle velocity can only be lower than the MP5. The only way this would make sense would be if the MP5 came equipped with a silencer....

Rate of fire, recoil and gameplay balance perhaps.

Well, it's a very small modification.  I'll try it the realistic way for a while, see if it makes the MP5 overpowered.

I suppose the logical way to do it would be to take some arbitrary muzzle energy for each cartridge, and then look at how different guns modify that.

It's not really a big deal except for Pistols/SMGs which share the same rounds but have very different muzzle lengths...

That's basically how it works now.  Ammo has a damage rating, and different guns modify that.

Did you actually use muzzle energy for the guns/cartridges or did you just wing it? So far it's seemed reasonable...

[Whales]

So quick gun note Whales. The MP5 has a -1 damage modifier, while the glock 19 has a +1 damage modifier. This makes no sense. The Glock has a shorter barrel and uses the same ammunition, meaning that the muzzle velocity can only be lower than the MP5. The only way this would make sense would be if the MP5 came equipped with a silencer....

Fixed.

So quick gun note Whales. The MP5 has a -1 damage modifier, while the glock 19 has a +1 damage modifier. This makes no sense. The Glock has a shorter barrel and uses the same ammunition, meaning that the muzzle velocity can only be lower than the MP5. The only way this would make sense would be if the MP5 came equipped with a silencer....

Rate of fire, recoil and gameplay balance perhaps.

Well, it's a very small modification.  I'll try it the realistic way for a while, see if it makes the MP5 overpowered.

I suppose the logical way to do it would be to take some arbitrary muzzle energy for each cartridge, and then look at how different guns modify that.

It's not really a big deal except for Pistols/SMGs which share the same rounds but have very different muzzle lengths...

That's basically how it works now.  Ammo has a damage rating, and different guns modify that.

Did you actually use muzzle energy for the guns/cartridges or did you just wing it? So far it's seemed reasonable...

I don't use muzzle energy, I'm not trying to simulate it on that level.  But I did consult energy levels, fragmentation and tumbling when picking damage levels for different kinds of ammo.

[Ordokai]

Have to say that tileset looks pretty good, though I will remain a 'purist' for now at least, which is strange considering I never play DF without one. Perhaps it has something to do with getting in on the action early hmm.

[toupz]

WEEEEE THANK YOU DEON THAT IS AMAZING!!!!!  damn it i'm back from hospital and first thing i do is play cataclysm, this is as good as morphine lol

edit: Deon can you post a link of the forum/thread or wherever we can refresh and notice new versions of your tilesets mod please?

edit: Whales, i've found a bug i think: Wearing a light jacket over anything puts torso encumbrance to 0, taking it off will put it back to normal. For example, my torso is 3 without wearing the light jacket, then i wear it over my clothes and it becomes 0

[Mephisto]

Wearing 20 purses does seem quite weird, though, theres only so many places you can hang one from!

I see no problem with this, as long as you get inventive. Just take a note from D&D or Final Fantasy.

Yeah. They're belts, but the point still stands. Also, humor. Don't take me seriously.

[Deon]

"Couldn't optimize tileset for drawing"
Is that suppose to come up, Deon?

Yep but it has something to do with Cib's custom pdcurses. I notice no errors or slow drawing.

I've been wondering, what are the heart symbols on the tileset?

I think that they are pharmacies

That's probably the + symbols. Or not.
In that case, what are those?

It was 5 AM and I couldn't come up with a good symbol for a sportings good store. I will change them most likely.

WEEEEE THANK YOU DEON THAT IS AMAZING!!!!!  damn it i'm back from hospital and first thing i do is play cataclysm, this is as good as morphine lol

edit: Deon can you post a link of the forum/thread or wherever we can refresh and notice new versions of your tilesets mod please?

edit: Whales, i've found a bug i think: Wearing a light jacket over anything puts torso encumbrance to 0, taking it off will put it back to normal. For example, my torso is 3 without wearing the light jacket, then i wear it over my clothes and it becomes 0

You are welcome .
I will make a new forum thread soon. I need to add more item sprites .

[BoxMacLeod]

Make the sporting goods store a little football!

[Ordokai]

Make the sporting goods store a little football!

This man knows

[kulik]

I don't wish to incriminate myself but I have first or second hand experience with most of the drug in Cataclysm, including withdrawals.

Oh boy, hope you make better use of my donation money.