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Khris

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No power transfer from windmill to axle or gear assembly
« on: June 23, 2011, 05:42:17 am »

So I have built a windmill to power a water pump, between both there's only one block of free space, so I put an horizontal axle there.
However it didn't work, I tried a gear assembly then it this didn't work either.
The problem is that the axle/gear assembly doesn't receive any power from the windmill although directly being next to it and the windmill generating 40 power units.

Here's the setup.
w = windmill
G = axle/gear assembly
P = pump
| = walls
t = trench on the lower level
T = trench on the upper level
The whole thing is next to a slope and pumping goes from south to north and works perfectly fine when operated manually.
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   |T|
www|P|
wwwGP
www t
    t
« Last Edit: June 23, 2011, 05:45:12 am by Khris »
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AutomataKittay

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Re: No power transfer from windmill to axle or gear assembly
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2011, 06:11:48 am »

You need to build the gear under the central tile of windmill to make it work, otherwise it seems like it should work perfectly well.
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Khris

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Re: No power transfer from windmill to axle or gear assembly
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2011, 06:23:01 am »

You mean, on the level below?
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Re: No power transfer from windmill to axle or gear assembly
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2011, 06:25:55 am »

Yes, the gear below the windmill, or in your case, build the windmill over the gear there. Well, unless that gear's lever-controlled, windmill'll fall apart if you turn the gear under it off.
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Doomchild-

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Re: No power transfer from windmill to axle or gear assembly
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2011, 06:32:37 am »

havent worked with windmills in a long time but iirc you need to channel out the central tile and place a gear under it to transfer power
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WWW <= Windmill
- - <= floor with central tile channeled out
=G= <= gear with axles
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Triaxx2

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Re: No power transfer from windmill to axle or gear assembly
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2011, 07:11:26 am »

From above:

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Z-A
WWW
WwW
WWW

Z-B
XXX
XGXX
O<gX
XXXX

W=Windmill Outer Tiles
w=Windmill Power Tile
X=Wall
G=Gear
g=Grate
<=Pump Intake
O=Pump Output

That'll transfer the power to the Pump. The windmill will overlap the pump, but that's okay. If you build with a second tile of offset, you can link the gear in the middle to a lever to be able to disengage the windmill, and thus the pump.

Also, press (k) and move over the windmill to make sure it's producing power.
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Khris

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Re: No power transfer from windmill to axle or gear assembly
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2011, 07:20:28 am »

Okay, I have windmill and when I build a vertical axle below it, it gets power.
What next? Is a gear assembly not able to connect to a (vertical) axle?
Do I have to build a horizontal axle next to the vertical axle to get it to work?

Triaxx2, thx, but the pump is completely above ground, so I need it to be powered from the side.
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AutomataKittay

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Re: No power transfer from windmill to axle or gear assembly
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2011, 07:27:35 am »

Okay, I have windmill and when I build a vertical axle below it, it gets power.
What next? Is a gear assembly not able to connect to a (vertical) axle?
Do I have to build a horizontal axle next to the vertical axle to get it to work?

Triaxx2, thx, but the pump is completely above ground, so I need it to be powered from the side.

Vertical axle only transfer power vertically, that's why I, and others, said to built it on top of gear, gears transmits power to north, south, east, west as well as up and down. Horizonal axle only transfer the power in one horizonal direction, either north/south or east/west. You'd need a gear either right under the vertical axle, or on top of it, if you want to use vertical axle
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Khris

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Re: No power transfer from windmill to axle or gear assembly
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2011, 07:42:37 am »

Okay, I think I'm starting to get it.
So here's the exact setup and three possibilities, which one of those does actually work?

w = natural wall
| = artificial wall
s = slope
x = floor
t = lower trench
T = upper trench
P = pump
G = gear powered by the windmill above
g = gear
a = axle

One:
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wwwwTw
wgGwTw
sawwTw
xa|TTw
xa|T|w
xa|P|s
xgaPxx
xxxtxx

Two:
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wwwwTw
wxGwTw
sgwwTw
xa|TTw
xa|T|w
xg|P|s
xxgPxx
xxxtxx

Three:
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wwwwTw
wgGwTw
sawwTw
xa|TTw
xa|T|w
xa|P|s
xggPxx
xxxtxx
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Doomchild-

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Re: No power transfer from windmill to axle or gear assembly
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2011, 07:47:21 am »

what you could do is build a platform over your pump and leave the tile above the power tile of your pump open, then build your windmill centered over the open tile. this will divert power directly to your pump.
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Windmill (o is the center tile which transfers power down):
...
=o=
...
floor underneath:
+++
+ + open space under the central tile
+++
level with your pump(_ tile from which you pump water, < intake tile or tile where your dwarf stands to pump manually, > output tile, - tile where water is dumped by the pump):
...
_<>-
...
the power tile or intake tile of a pump accepts power from all directions as if it's a gear
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Silophant

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Re: No power transfer from windmill to axle or gear assembly
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2011, 07:50:38 am »

Setups One and Three will work from a power-transfer standpoint, as long as your axles are oriented correctly. However, they'll each require about 30 power, meaning that they will only work with a single windmill if you're on a high-wind map. Each map has a random amount of wind, set at worldgen, that cannot be changed. On a high-wind map, each windmill produces 40 power. On a low-wind map, each windmill produces 20 power. On a no-wind map, windmills are useless. It's probably a good idea to see which kind you're on before building your gears and axles.
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Khris

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Re: No power transfer from windmill to axle or gear assembly
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2011, 08:27:13 am »

Setups One and Three will work from a power-transfer standpoint, as long as your axles are oriented correctly. However, they'll each require about 30 power, meaning that they will only work with a single windmill if you're on a high-wind map. Each map has a random amount of wind, set at worldgen, that cannot be changed. On a high-wind map, each windmill produces 40 power. On a low-wind map, each windmill produces 20 power. On a no-wind map, windmills are useless. It's probably a good idea to see which kind you're on before building your gears and axles.

My windmill gives 40 power, so everything's fine and working now, thx. :)
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Triaxx2

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Re: No power transfer from windmill to axle or gear assembly
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2011, 09:52:32 am »

Actually, the pump being on the ground is perfectly fine. You'll probably have walls around the out put to direct the flow, So you simply build a ramp up, and construct some floor around the top of the pump, and build the windmill there. Just be sure to position the ramp so you have access even after the floor for the windmill is in place, or the game will complain about no access.

IE:

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FFF
FOF
FFF
R

Doesn't work.

FFFF
OFOF
FFFF
R

Does.

I built a step up from an ocean to an Aqueduct that uses this design. Works quite well, even creates a nice waterfall.
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