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[neotemplar]

*hits with newspaper*
Shaders 2.0?  BAD PUPPY!


(I look forward to when these are removed)

[Orb]

If there was a sneaky class, they should be able to see an enemies field of vision. Because they definitely have one.
By the way, has anyone killed a guy with a knife?

I was running around shooting people and ran into someone...with my knife. So yes.

[Alehkhs]

Sooo... I really want a Starship Troopers mod.

"Come with meeee!"

[Icee77]

Heh. I noticed Ozy put all the suggestions we had on the website.
On another note, I LOVE stabbing people. It makes a delightful squish sound.

[Ozyton]

Heh. I noticed Ozy put all the suggestions we had on the website.

I don't think I got them all but I tried. hopefully we get a reply and some news =)

Squish squish. Haven't gotten to stab anyone myself yet, it's hard =<

[Icee77]

Heh. I love the name gen thing. Put in Urist in the first name and McSoldier in the second. Guess what I saw when I first started a game?

Urist Mcsoldier
3000/Sergeant

[Ozyton]

Spoiler: Me (click to show/hide)

Hey Pasik, I noticed that you don’t have a forum yet and just thought I’d post a few things some people at Bay12 thought up. First of all, everyone there seems to love the concept and has had a bunch of fun just with this pre-release.

1: First I want to address movement. Currently you can only move in 8 directions, which doesn’t always work so well when objects are at certain angles and such. A proposed fix is to simply have all movement be based off of where the aiming reticule is: W moves towards where you aim, A and D strafes, etc. I also think personally that you should be able to move while crouching, just at maybe half speed or something.

2: You can probably liven up empty spaces by having things such as craters, fallen trees, foxholes, that sort of thing to use as cover.

3: I notice a lot of people complaining they don’t know who they are in a large group. A fix for this would be to have a colored circle beneath your feet or something, but that might not look all that great. Having your name over your head would work too, but again won’t look nice if you’re really going to stick with the minimal UI thing.

4: As for not knowing whether your shots will hit something, Men of War solves this problem. The reticule has a green dot in the center when there is a clear line of sight, and a red dot when there isn’t one. If there’s no line of sight a yellow dot shows where your bullets would hit if you fired, usually an obstacle or hill in the way. I’m not sure if drawing a line from the player to the reticule is a good idea since it would be kinda annoying being there constantly.

5: For hills you could hit a button that puts an overlay on the terrain (or something) where red is the highest mountain, yellow and green are normal height, and blue is the deepest valley. Sort of like a height map. Topographical lines on terrain could work too.

6: One thing I notice bay12ers want added are vehicles, partially because they don’t like how long it takes to get anywhere, and partly because they would be pretty cool and add a whole new element to the game. Personally I don’t think your game is ready for this kind of feature, but it’s something to think about for the future. Maybe each capture point has a flagpole with your team’s flag on it, and when you’re at the flagpole you can teleport to any other flagpole owned by your team that isn’t under attack.

7: The other thing they seem to want added are classes. Personally I’m not entirely sure about this idea, perhaps they are all the same except each one gets a special skill. For example, any soldier can stabilize a soldier but only a medic can get him up, or just heals them faster. An engineer could build sandbags and bunkers and other things (dig trenches maybe? Not sure if the game could handle something like that) and repair vehicles quicker if those are implemented. They seem to want a stealthy class the most though, one that could see the field of vision on enemies and have a suppressed weapon. I don’t think the classes should have a huge impact on the game, just something your soldier just happens to specialize in and do better than the other soldiers.

Please get a forum up soonish (perhaps after next release?), I’ll try to keep the forum topic on bay12 updated if I can =) . Speaking of the next release, how long did it take you to make this pre-alpha? Is the next release going to just be bugfixes or are you planning on adding some of the features on the about page as well?

Spoiler: Pasik (click to show/hide)

1: That could work actually, I’d add it as an option naturally, for many players the current way may be more intuitive to pick up still. Crouch moving is coming also, it just lacks an animation atm.

2: The world design is very much work in progress still, more stuff will be added in the future.

3: I’m going with the ground marker. It’s probably going to be under options, so people can switch it off if it seems to take away from the minimal HUD thingie.

4: Something pretty much like this is in the works currently, there’s a minimal helper visual to show what is obstructing the line of sight and also color indicators on the crosshair. It also lead me to some issues with the ray collision I have, you can actually shoot through buildings in some hard to find angles.

5: True. Such feature might be added sometime, not quite a top priority atm

6: Vehicles are in my ultimate long run TODO list (as well as destructible/constructible environments..), but they are far away still to be honest. I don’t want to make a game that has a huge amount of features which all have poor quality feel at the time it reaches beta. The more obvious thing that’ll help with the time to get to places is designing the world in such way. The east side is pretty much crowded with places, and when you die, you’re not really sent that far away from the place where you were fighting. The west side and the center is pretty bad at this moment in this sense.

7: I wouldn’t go for classes per se, I’d make it so that there are variety of weapons and equipment in the bases, and you can there pick up the stuff that you need for your approach in the next mission. So simply, if you’d like to go stealth, you’d find yourself a suppressed weapon (your team would need to automatically adapt to this also), maybe that would give you a small increase in movement speed as well. Who knows in the future, you might find those special goggles somewhere, that would allow you to spot enemies better and it could also visualize their field of view to some extent. The medic feature could be made so that you need to carry a medical kit, without that you’re not able to help the wounded. The trade-off for carrying such a kit would be that you can e.g. only carry a hand gun for fighting.

I started this project from scratch on January, starting with the voxel modeling and animating tool.

The next pre-alpha release is coming in a few days; it’s mostly about bug fixes and balancing, but there’s also the line of sight helper, the ground marker, hopefully there’ll be some settings for AI accuracy and rank increase, for those who are struggling with getting promotions. After that release, I think there’ll be a longer period of no new updates while I’m working with the multiplayer, more weapons and world design.

It all sounds good to me =) what do you guys think?

[Johnfalcon99977]

Sounds good enough.

Although I would like to go inside Buildings, if possible. It'd be nice to be able to enter a Building for better cover or to hide from Large Groups of Enemies on a Stealth/Lone Commando mission.

Edit: And also, all things considered, I would also like more teams (Optional, of course.). Maybe an extra Blue and/or Red teamn to spice things up a bit.

Edit2: During a Plunge into name editing, I found the enlightining information that JESUS is a possible goodie First name, and I am pretty sure CHRIST will be in the Goodie last name section.

As if they didn't think they hammered the fact that the "Goodie" team are the good guys hard enough. And the fact that a large portion of the Dev Team is Christan.

[diamok]

Sounds pretty good Ozy, though I was the one that suggested moving using the mouse and W as forward.

Would like to see an option to use W as forward and the mouse as a directional + aim + shoot control though.

Just sayin. 

I'm going to add in too, would like an option to reconfig controls.  I'd love to use LMB for firing weapon, and RMB for throwing grenades.

Also, I've taken control of all key points on the map a number of times now.  In doing so you pretty much end the game as all enemy spawners seem to be linking to control points, once a team takes control of a control point, the enemies spawner appears to be removed. (theory)  I realize this is a prealpha and I'm sure you plan for dealing with this in future builds, just wanted to throw it out there though.

Take care,

[Orb]

Sounds pretty good Ozy, though I was the one that suggested moving using the mouse and W as forward.

Would like to see an option to use W as forward and the mouse as a directional + aim + shoot control though.

Just sayin. 

I'm going to add in too, would like an option to reconfig controls.  I'd love to use LMB for firing weapon, and RMB for throwing grenades.

Also, I've taken control of all key points on the map a number of times now.  In doing so you pretty much end the game as all enemy spawners seem to be linking to control points, once a team takes control of a control point, the enemies spawner appears to be removed. (theory)  I realize this is a prealpha and I'm sure you plan for dealing with this in future builds, just wanted to throw it out there though.

Take care,

I'm quite sure that each key point "increases" the cap of the number of soldiers you have, and increases the rate you gain them(as each key point spawns soldiers until it reaches its cap). I'm sure of this because I read it on the website, somewhere.

[diamok]

I'm not really sure how increasing cap would effect whether or not enemies (or allies for that matter) spawn if all control points are controlled by a single team (good guys, bad guys).

What I'm saying is, I've capture all points and enemies stopped spawning. After capturing all points, I ran from one side of the map to the other (a number of times), not once did an alert message popup asking for reinforcements, the town (etc.) is under attack and so on.  It just seems to me, once your team (good guys, or bad guys) takes control of all points, the enemy has no where to spawn, so once the active enemies on the map are killed, no more will spawn and there is nothing to do...well, start a new game I suppose.

Take care,

[Ozyton]

Sounds pretty good Ozy, though I was the one that suggested moving using the mouse and W as forward.

Hmm, I mean to use the word "we" to imply bay12 came up with most of these suggestions.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that people spawn on the objectives. Not sure if they can spawn on a "frontline" objective though. They might spawn behind their lines and then reinforce the frontline from there. not sure.

Also, yeah, if each cap point does give you more soldiers then theoretically the fight gets a lot easier as you progress. it would be pretty awesome if the cape was the same throughout the game, making it so by the time you get to the last objective it's tons of enemies defending their base to the last man while all the attackers try to assault in one huge final push.

By the way, my friend is a big audiophilliac and made a sound mod for the game (I was talking to him on the phone about it and he didn't like the gunshot sounds, so he downloaded it and edited all the sounds without even playing the game... =/ ) and I kinda like the new sounds better.  Unfortunately the ambient sounds aren't working at all for some inexplicable reason... and I'm not sure where exactly he got these sounds.

[diamok]

Hmm, I mean to use the word "we" to imply bay12 came up with most of these suggestions.

I'm just pickin on ya bro, it's all good.

Take care,

[Johnfalcon99977]

What I'm saying is, I've capture all points and enemies stopped spawning. After capturing all points, I ran from one side of the map to the other (a number of times), not once did an alert message popup asking for reinforcements, the town (etc.) is under attack and so on.  It just seems to me, once your team (good guys, or bad guys) takes control of all points, the enemy has no where to spawn, so once the active enemies on the map are killed, no more will spawn and there is nothing to do...well, start a new game I suppose.

Well, you have simply won. The goal is to capture all the points.

[Icee77]

I love being a private. You don't get targeted first when in a firefight!