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Author Topic: My dwarves are some serious alcholics!  (Read 1721 times)

Sjotrik

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My dwarves are some serious alcholics!
« on: June 22, 2011, 01:10:01 pm »

They nearly don`t do anything but to drink their booze! >:C

Does their consumption of food and drinks depend on the biome they are settled in? currently, it`s fall in a tempered biome.

anything i can do to stop their alocholism? xD atleast get them to work more.
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Girlinhat

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Re: My dwarves are some serious alcholics!
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2011, 01:12:02 pm »

They drink alcohol instead of water.  How do you expect anything to work without water?  "Yeah, I want those tax returns by next week, and in the meantime you can't eat, drink, or sleep until you finish work."

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Re: My dwarves are some serious alcholics!
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2011, 01:14:32 pm »

They drink alcohol instead of water.  How do you expect anything to work without water?  "Yeah, I want those tax returns by next week, and in the meantime you can't eat, drink, or sleep until you finish work."

I know they drink alcohol. the thing is, they don`t do anything but to drink and eat! xD i get really slow production over here because they camp in the food stockpile! :/
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Lectorog

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Re: My dwarves are some serious alcholics!
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2011, 01:14:49 pm »

They drink. A lot. They have to eat, sleep, and drink, in increasing order of importance.

Having plenty of booze for them is far better than the alternative.

Just so you know, they drink roughly twice per season.
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Re: My dwarves are some serious alcholics!
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2011, 01:18:16 pm »

Make sure you're varrying their alcohol.  They move faster if they drink a variety.

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Re: My dwarves are some serious alcholics!
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2011, 01:20:34 pm »

I`m in the starting phase. the first dwarven caravan is at my fort now, and im trading away. I have 3 kinds of booze, and they seem to eat, drink and sleep more than 2 times per season. o.O or maybe not more, but they use significantly more time than usual.
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Re: My dwarves are some serious alcholics!
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2011, 01:21:36 pm »

Is this your first fort?  You sound like you're used to Age of Empires type of games where a villager will just stand in one spot until the end of the game, gladly.

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Re: My dwarves are some serious alcholics!
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2011, 01:22:27 pm »

Is this your first fort?  You sound like you're used to Age of Empires type of games where a villager will just stand in one spot until the end of the game, gladly.

Nope, not my first. I have played for a couple of months, but their behavior has changed from other times i have played.
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Sjotrik

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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2011, 01:32:39 pm »

Not only do they drink and eat alot. -.- when they are done, they stand still and wont to anything!

my carpenter has halted all production, and i have triple checked that there is work to be done.
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Lectorog

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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2011, 01:35:55 pm »

Not only do they drink and eat alot. -.- when they are done, they stand still and wont to anything!

my carpenter has halted all production, and i have triple checked that there is work to be done.

Are you encountering the marvelous "On Break" function?

Dwarves are really unproductive at times. I love it when you get, in order, drinking, eating, sleeping, on break, and drinking. Maximum wasted time.

But it happens. Dwarves are just something you have to deal with and make the most of. If they don't want to work, you can't really make them.
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Sjotrik

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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2011, 01:40:38 pm »

Not only do they drink and eat alot. -.- when they are done, they stand still and wont to anything!

my carpenter has halted all production, and i have triple checked that there is work to be done.

Are you encountering the marvelous "On Break" function?

Dwarves are really unproductive at times. I love it when you get, in order, drinking, eating, sleeping, on break, and drinking. Maximum wasted time.

But it happens. Dwarves are just something you have to deal with and make the most of. If they don't want to work, you can't really make them.

That function your are speaking of sounds like a perfect description of my situation. xD
so, I hope it will pass. i really need some productivity. :/
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Re: My dwarves are some serious alcholics!
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2011, 01:43:43 pm »

You should make sure that they're drinking and eating by pressing "u," because they only drink, like, twice every season.
If they have no food/drink/container with them then they are not drinking or eating when they stand still. They are just on break.
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Re: My dwarves are some serious alcholics!
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2011, 01:44:16 pm »

I`m in the starting phase. the first dwarven caravan is at my fort now, and im trading away. I have 3 kinds of booze, and they seem to eat, drink and sleep more than 2 times per season. o.O or maybe not more, but they use significantly more time than usual.

The most common cause for this is not enough *barrels* of booze.  When a dwarf drinks, they claim a barrel, path to it, grab it, upend it, and chug until finished.  If anything is left they may put it back or drop it and generate a hauling task for someone else.  No other dwarf can be using the same barrel from when it gets first claimed until it is properly re-filed in a stockpile, and that can add up to a lot of time.  Note that you can have a fair amount of booze in a single barrel, which is efficient for storage but inefficient for actual drinking. 

From the wiki on Alcohol: "a dwarf will drink booze an average of four times per season".  The Starting Build article says "A single dwarf eats about 2x/season, and drinks about 4x/season."  IIRC the old rule of thumb was at least 12 booze per starting dwarf, to get through to the caravan; with caravans sometimes arriving later and migrant waves earlier these days, that's a bit risky unless you're confident about getting your industries up fast.  If you pick a nice variety of starting booze, that should give you roughly enough barrels for the initial 7 to drink freely, but if you're adding dwarves and/or taking up barrels with other things (food, etc.) then you can have available drinking quanta drop low enough that you have what amounts to a line.  Additional inefficiencies like poorly placed or badly pathed meeting rooms and stockpiles can also slow up the drinking process, and ultimately everything else.  Ultimately, one of the controlling aspects of efficient fortress design is that you need to plan for your dwarves to stop what they're doing, go have a drink, and go back to what they were doing as effectively as possibly, as it happens a bit more than monthly. 

Additionally, the invisible "Haul to depot" jobs you generate by selecting something for trading are high priority, so dwarves tend to drop what they were doing to help.  But that means that dwarves that had already gotten a bit thirsty (or hungry), but held off until they finished their current task, will have a moment of "no task" and prioritize getting a drink before they go do something else.  This is why people complain about their broker going off work the moment they are needed; you should pull them off their duties (bookkeeper, etc.) enough ahead of the caravan's arrival, or at least immediately upon arrival announcement, to let them drink and eat at least, and possibly sleep. 
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Re: My dwarves are some serious alcholics!
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2011, 01:44:45 pm »

That function your are speaking of sounds like a perfect description of my situation. xD
so, I hope it will pass. i really need some productivity. :/

Well, the dwarf actually displays "on break" as their job. In the (u)nit list.

If it just displays "no job" there's some sort of problem not letting them work. Or they've got some really unproductive things planned, like sleep.
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Re: My dwarves are some serious alcholics!
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2011, 01:47:05 pm »

Dwarves are really unproductive at times. I love it when you get, in order, drinking, eating, sleeping, on break, and drinking. Maximum wasted time.

You forgot the all-important Attend Party. There's a siege outside and walls need to be put up to prevent annihilation? Fuck you, overseer, Urist McMason will party until he dies. Which will be in the very immediate future.
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