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Author Topic: Let's Play Gemfire - Prince Garth for Prez!  (Read 17565 times)

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Re: Let's Play Gemfire - More KOEI!
« Reply #45 on: June 29, 2011, 09:42:14 pm »

I blundered and spent too much money and food on troops. I guess I'll be more descriptive this time, I thought it was pretty self-explanatory.
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Re: Let's Play Gemfire - More KOEI!
« Reply #46 on: July 16, 2011, 06:55:29 am »

Aaaand we're back!

Quick update

Due to the length of the video, I have split it into 2.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHvZ6y4-ak

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMNxvbq1T54


Full Battle Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9KLKDGUy64
WHEW! That was a CLOSE one!



What now?

In my opinion, I'm a little nervous about that one province sticking out, it's so... vulnerable.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2011, 05:17:58 am by justinlee999 »
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Re: Let's Play Gemfire - More KOEI!
« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2011, 07:21:33 am »

You clearly have to find some way to take their last offense and get that wizard who slaughtered you.
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Re: Let's Play Gemfire - More KOEI!
« Reply #48 on: July 17, 2011, 02:59:17 am »

Thing is, I'm not sure how to go attack them. I can rush now before they recover their wizard, but I will have no wizard too, and they might have a 5th unit. Also I'm not too sure how big their army is, my army got a beating from that wizard.
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Re: Let's Play Gemfire - More KOEI!
« Reply #49 on: July 17, 2011, 06:33:56 pm »

Alright Justin! Thanks a lot for the IRC invitation! This is my first time actually participating in an LP thread while it was ongoing. I'm really glad you decided to continue going with it. You rock man! 8)

Now then, everyone must hate you because they did stick you with pretty much the worst family. However, now you can call yourself The Lord of Chrysallis and that is an awesome name. You're in kind of a tight spot now but I'm sure we can turn this around into awesome!

If I understand the rules correctly if you take Lyle's last territory you get Pluvius right? That's a million times better than the Gem we have now, so that should be your first priority. As for how to attack them, we need to hit them before they get there gem back and before someone else does, so pretty much ASAP. What fifth unit can we hire right now? If you can hire and fire a unit we should use the fifth unit up until it's three month upkeep and then fire it before we have to pay it again. Otherwise as long as food doesn't cost High you can sink all the money into food so the fifth unit will quit, then trade back to either break even or make a profit.

Hiring a fifth unit seems like the fastest way to get the most force on the battlefield, but if you can afford to recruit more and think that will assure victory then go for it. We really, really need to get Pluvius if we're going to get anywhere. If you don't think you'll be able to wipe out their army you could try to starve them (our food is really low now but maybe you could buy more?) or try and sneak around to capture their flag.

Now the good thing about being on that island is there's only one territory we can be attacked by, and now we own it. That means we can move everything out of that territory to the front lines if you haven't done so already. After we get Pluvius we can consolidate and build up our three territories, but we should take the opportunity to expand when others use their gem for something else. After we get Pluvius we shouldn't attack unless we have enough troops to defend the territory well afterward, but right now we need to take out Lyle and steal their Wizard.

I don't know how far you intended to take audience participation but I am totally going to lay down some commands, follow them if you will:

Spoiler: Domestic Commands (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Battle Commands (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Fifth Units to Hire (click to show/hide)

Just a couple of notes about the LP in general, I'm glad you got the video working because it was cool to see the combat. However, do you have a micophone or something to record voice? If not it would be great to see some subtitles or Youtube annotations so we can hear what you're thinking during the battle and such.

Also, you picked the Riddler as an adviser (Yay! That's who I would have picked too). If it's not too much trouble could we get some screenshots or text recaps of what he has to say?

But first order of business is to beat Lyle and take Pluvius! It's the only way we stand a chance!

(Thanks again for inviting me to your thread! Good luck with everything! ^^)
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Re: Let's Play Gemfire - More KOEI!
« Reply #50 on: July 17, 2011, 10:24:08 pm »

Thanks for taking the time to comment! Good advice all in all, I'll keep that in mind. I was thinking of screenshotting Riddler's suggestions, but I thought you guys weren't interested. But since you asked, I'll do it :). You play Gemfire, don't you? Or did you read those Pastha information off a FAQ? :P.

As for the mic during battles, I have a mic, but... I don't feel comfortable talking much. I'll try though, also people say me accent is weird, so be prepared to listen to an unusual accent :P.

I'll just give you guys a status update now, then I need more suggestions.

Also I've just realized my capital is now being ruled by no one, I should probably get Garth back to the homeland and have my other vassal go to the frontlines.

Current state:


Now, I'll use the view command to view the captured province:


Looks like I have lots of money and food to go around, but a pitiful amount of soldiers, perhaps I should mass recruit and save just enough for the fighting, then just bomb the last Lyle province with my troops?

Let's see what our dear Riddler has to say:


Looking at the fifth unit hiring screen of my capital I see:


Not exactly the best units around here...

Unfortunately I can't see what's in the new province until it's the new province's turn.

Suggestions... suggestions...

EDIT: Also I updated my Windows XP to Windows 7 after the battle, which makes the screenshots look different, does it look nicer now?
« Last Edit: July 17, 2011, 10:59:56 pm by justinlee999 »
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Re: Let's Play Gemfire - More KOEI!
« Reply #51 on: July 17, 2011, 11:27:19 pm »

It looks a lot less blurry.
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Re: Let's Play Gemfire - More KOEI!
« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2011, 11:44:03 am »

Wow, you can really see the difference in the screenshots. I'm impressed. :) Also, does Jasper always talk in riddles? XD Awesome!

And thank goodness we have the second providence with more gold and much more food! I was afraid we were stuck with only 50 food. I hope you didn't lose any time looking around. If we have that much food we should definitely hire as many soldier as we can, but still keep enough so they don't starve when we attack. If we absolutely need the fifth unit we should hire the Lizards instead of the Ogre, unless there's something better in Norwood (again, if we don't want to keep them around you can trade all the money for food so they quit, assuming you can't just fire them). The most important thing is to attack Lyle before they get Pluvius back (and before someone else does).

Also, since with Norwood our island fortress is completely untouchable (as long as we keep Norwood) we should move all 93 soldiers from Lisle to Norwood. That will bolster our forces and can't hurt us since Lisle can't be attacked. I think that should be our first move at this point.

How many turns do we have before they get Pluvius back? If we have to attack right away we should move the 93 soldiers and then attack. Otherwise we could move the soldiers, hire more in Norwood, and attack after that (maybe hiring the Lizards or something else if we have time and you think they're necessary). If we have the spare turn we should cultivate Lisle after we move the troops.

That 0 Loyalty is bad, we should try to get that up before September. But only after we take down Lyle.

Thanks for the response. I've actually never played Gemfire at all, I just read a FAQ. But it does seem like a cool game, if this Let's Play goes well I might try to track it down. It's always cool to be introduced to a new game, thanks for doing this LP! ^^
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Re: Let's Play Gemfire - More KOEI!
« Reply #53 on: July 18, 2011, 04:29:13 pm »

Agree with Basque.  Especially on not buying the Ogre: It's a complete ripoff, worst unit in a cost/power sort of way.

Fifth Units should change every month, so try again next month if you can't afford the Lizard.  It's fast, but relatively weak.

Oh, and we picked Chrysallis for two reasons:
1) It's the hardest in the game, and we always vote for maximum difficulty.  More glory for the poster and the forum, and we have faith in our forumites.
2) Justinlee999 asked us not to pick Chrysallis.  Poor move, that was.  Dwarfs are jerks, ya know?  ;D  Oh, and
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We have a reputation to live up to, ya know.  :P

So, thank you Justinlee999 for being a good sport, and we're impressed with your success thusfar.  Trust me, it'll only get easier once you beat Lyle and take Pluvius.

And yes, I've both played this before, and Jasper does in fact always talk in riddles.  He's the Court Jester and my alter ego.

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Re: Let's Play Gemfire - More KOEI!
« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2011, 11:02:51 pm »

Thanks for the comments guys, I'll keep your comments in mind.
Also, wizards take like, 2-3 months to recover, so we don't have much time.

If you've noticed,  the capital is now in Norwood, because Prine Garth captured Norwood, and Lisle has currently no ruler. However, we can't do anything now as this is not the home province, we have to wait till Norwood's turn.


Sending all my troops.

I also sent 84 gold and 37 food.


Hohohohoho


Yeah, I'm pretty sure we should build a massive army and crush Lyle once and for all!


Ohh yeaaaah.


YEA!


1 month passed, looks like hiring a fifth unit takes time, but meh.

I believe this is the last month before Pluvius recovers, and we have sufficient troops I believe, ATTACK!

Battle video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_GUWlrlXyk

HELL YEAAAH!

I released Ander because I feel that we can recruit him some time in the future, he has good stats, don't want any shortages of lords in this game.


Yeeeeesssssssssssss.


Current state of the world.

Let's see what our dear jester has to say.



Unless anyone objects, I'll be using this view to view all of the province's state from now on, any objections?


Quick peek at our family.

Right, so now we have 3 provinces, and 2 lords. I believe we should start organizing our family quickly before another family strikes.

Where should we place Sarthe? Etc. things like that.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2011, 12:11:59 am by justinlee999 »
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Re: Let's Play Gemfire - More KOEI!
« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2011, 11:43:36 pm »

Plop Sarthe in 8, where him being a nincompoop won't result in your empire getting bisected by a crafty enemy.
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Re: Let's Play Gemfire - More KOEI!
« Reply #56 on: July 19, 2011, 12:19:01 am »

Also I just learned there is a PC version of this game, with different graphics and stuff.

Actually, I think this game is in of systems, with different musics/graphics.

I'm playing the SNES one because it's my young childhood game, memories everywhere :).

EDIT: Just a little comparison of the graphics :).

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Awesome dragon battle music remix.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJM9IQ15j9c&feature=related
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Re: Let's Play Gemfire - More KOEI!
« Reply #57 on: July 19, 2011, 12:32:49 am »

Wow, that wasn't even a battle, that was a slaughter! XD Did you see their horsemen suicide themselves against our Warriors? Damn, those guys are amazing! What a stroke of luck you were able to hire them, you really didn't even need the rest of the army.

Speaking of which though, I noted a few things there. First of all, can archers shot over the walls that the enemy had, and other obstacles like that? If so we should move our archers forward to shoot over stuff while being protected from counterattack. Likewise I noticed you failed at building a fence 4 times in that battle. I think you're being too defensive, but admittedly you used the quick moving units to wipe them out so fast I don't think the slow moving units would have been able to do anything. XD

I approve of using the new providence view, it makes it easy to compare the different providence. Just make sure you have another screenshot with the map somewhere in the post so we know where the numbers are referencing.

You made the right choice releasing Ander when he wouldn't join up. We should try to recruit as many Lords as possible and that includes using Negotiation->Defection if you think it will work.

But with Pluvius now we stand a fighting chance! Can we use Pluvius right away, or do we have to wait for him to recover? Also the warriors are so powerful but also very expensive. What's the status of the territories around us? Is it possible to take over one or two more before we have to pay the warriors again?

For domestic concerns Breadbocks is smart, putting Sarthe in the back is probably a good idea seeing how low his stats are. Garth's stats are low compared to the other families, but he's the best we got. As a side note if we want to improve those stats that's what the Search items do.

We have two routes we can go, if you think we're strong enough or want to get the most out of the warriors we could take another easily defended territory like 1, or we can focus domestically with cultivation and giving food to raise loyalty. Ideally we want all of our territories above 0 loyalty by next September. Since we don't have to worry about the Loyalty on Lisle we should just focus on Cultivating and sending food to the frontlines (along with money and troops if we have the opportunity).

One of my biggest concerns is how big Lankshire is becoming. They might wipe out Coryll soon and then have 3 gems, not to mention a huge territory advantage. We want to make sure #9 is Molbrew's last territory so we can grab their gem, so hopefully Lankshire will attack them at 13 and 14. I think our strategy should be to wait for Lankshire to attack someone else and use up their Dragon, then quickly take over 1 or 2 of their territories.

Looking at the numbers on the screenshot 2 is a very wealthy providence! We sapped most of the soldiers from 7 in the attack, so we should send back enough so that you're sure you can defend Norwood. Lisle can keep supporting it by sending more stuff but we have to make sure we don't lose it.

Final Recommendations

1. Sarthe to govern Lisle. Just like breadbocks said.
2. Make sure Norwood (7) has enough troops for a solid defense, move back from 2 if necessary.
3. Use 2's vast resources to reinforce our army with more troops.

Otherwise since you really dominated the last battle I'm excited to see our empire expand more, but that was against a very weakened Lyle. If you feel up to attacking more Providence 1 can only be attacked by 3 so it will be easy to defend, otherwise we really have to looking into cutting up Lankshire's territory (or at least plundering the hell out of them). We want our enemies divided against each other, we don't want Lankshire to take over the rest of the continent and then come after us.

I'm having a lot of fun with this! After seeing how close the last battle was, I was amazed you could get Warriors and completely win this one. I think that turned the whole game around! :D
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Re: Let's Play Gemfire - More KOEI!
« Reply #58 on: July 19, 2011, 12:37:43 am »

I've noticed the PC version has more backstory on why Eselred is EVIIIL, I'll try to get these screenshots myself and load it into the main post.

And yes, archers can shoot over the walls.

and Brasque, you may want to try out the PC version instead, check out my previous post to see the comparisons.
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Re: Let's Play Gemfire - More KOEI!
« Reply #59 on: July 19, 2011, 01:18:24 am »

Uploaded pics and stuff to the main post. Sorry I couldn't capture the wording well because it was too fast.
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