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[Tayrin]

quote:Originally posted by Hague:
<STRONG>So Tayrin, could you describe the conditions for that dwarf using that crossbow?</STRONG>

Do you mean the conditions for the dwarf picking the crossbow up as a weapon, or the dwarf actually firing bolts from it in battle? Either way, I'm not really sure what conditions to describe, as I've seen soldiers in other fortresses refuse to pick up legendary artifact equipment, and I've no idea why.

Edit: I'm not sure if it matters, but the artifact crossbow the soldier used is made from adamantine.

Edit2: After re-reading the first post, I realize I should point out that the soldiers seem happy to use all the adamantine artifacts in this fortress, so I'm guessing it's not the material that's causing your problem, Hague.

[ April 25, 2008: Message edited by: Tayrin ]

[Bouchart]

My dwarves refused to use the artifact spear that was made, but used an artifact helm just fine.

[Hague]

Strange... I tried a test involving stockpiles in that maybe the items needed to be put into a stockpile in order to be recognized but that didn't seem to work either. I noticed that in my fort the adamantine artifact chain mail managed to get put into my artifact quality weapons and armor stockpile but the shortbow was not. However, I still couldn't get any of my soldiers to wear said chain mail. I wonder if it has something to do with professions. Perhaps the units won't pick up an artifact unless they have a certain skill level. It's so perplexing.

[Tayrin]

quote:Originally posted by Hague:
<STRONG>I wonder if it has something to do with professions. Perhaps the units won't pick up an artifact unless they have a certain skill level.</STRONG>

I never thought of that before. You might be onto something there, Hague. Thanks for the idea, I'll look into it.

Well, I just did some quick testing with a few different soldiers and a few different artifact weapons, and all of the Recruits and Marksdwarves I tested only picked up regular weapons, while all of the Elite Marksdwarves and Champions I tested would go straight for the artifact weapons.

It could just be coincidence, but your theory certainly seems to be accurate so far.

[Hague]

Try forbidding all the regular weapons and see if the non-elite will pick up the artifacts as well.

[Tayrin]

Okay, I just tried forbidding all the 1084 regular weapons to see what would happen.

None of the non-elites are making any attempt to collect the stockpiled artifact weapons. They're all staying unarmed and milling around aimlessly when I tell them to switch to a different weapon.

However, the Champions and Elites go to collect the artifact weapons right away when told to do so.

[Hague]

I can confirm that indeed a unit must have the Elite or Champion profession before they will pick up artifact weapons. I just tested it with Bartavelle's wonderful Changeprofession script. Sorry Tayrin, I didn't know you had that many weapons Not so much a bug then, I guess but rather a feature.

Thanks for the support everyone. Case closed.

[Tayrin]

It's no problem, I'd already wrote a script to make forbidding items much easier anyway.

I'm also grateful for the knowledge that came from this little investigation, as I'd been wondering for a while what conditions are needed for a soldier to use an artifact weapon. Now I know!

[Toady One]

He he, I wish I had gotten to this thread earlier, but I've been running 2-3 days behind.  Yeah, there's a skill requirement.  Dunno if there should be, but it's been there since the beginning.

[Hague]

As far as I can tell, it's not actually a "skill requirement." But rather a profession requirement. I was hacking around with the game and found that simply changing a unit's profession to elite or champion makes them pick up the artifact weapons even with a skill level of dabbling.