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KaelGotDwarves

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Re: The presidential season is upon us
« Reply #60 on: June 19, 2011, 04:36:44 pm »

I'm not saying all Republicans are racist. I'm just saying what I and others have observed -While some have, the Republican party as a whole have failed to condemn the racists and fringe elements within their party, but have instead attempted to court them for votes, or even defend the racism as "non-racism, but it is racist to call them racist". That article is an example of such.

People might say the Democratic party is spineless, but they have had the spine not to bow into far-leftist interests as the Conservative media attempts to spew constant "anti-socialist/communist" venom. Obama has in fact been rather moderate.

EDIT: I mean hell, Nikov. I see people who are neighbors and co-workers and friends that I live peacefully with spout hate speech against women, latinos, african-americans, gays, and the poor as subhuman-creeping-islamo-facist-socialist-commie-gay-agenda and I just have to nod as to not cause a scene.

Perfectly sane people suddenly lose it as soon as you mention Obama or "liberals".
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Re: The presidential season is upon us
« Reply #61 on: June 19, 2011, 04:39:15 pm »

This is an election year for you Americans? Well I guess Vancouver isn't going to be the most mindless, violent and destructive thing we see in a developed country this year.
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« Reply #62 on: June 19, 2011, 04:46:47 pm »

Thank Christ election season isn't REALLY kicking off yet. I feel like the run up to 2008 lasted about my entire life.
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« Reply #63 on: June 19, 2011, 04:48:21 pm »

Nikov, it's not that I think the Democratic party has been doing much else but behave in an utterly spineless and unproductive matter.  I don't like "my" party, either, and disagree with some of its ideals.  But what I've seen of the Republican party during the past year or so honestly terrifies me.  I feel like its most vocal and powerful proponents are cutting the country down at the knees.

It's not just the women's/gay rights/racism fiasco.  It's not even cutting the corporate taxes.  It's cutting taxes to privatize in a more expensive way, in clear conflicts of interest, just for the sake of decentralization in and of itself.  It's the back room deals.  It's all that terrible shit happening in Michigan, so that federal rights cede to state rights cede to corporate rights, rather than individual rights.

It's the creation of new classes of ultra-rich people in order to keep the government from giving money to people who are, more and more, finding themselves in desperate need of it.  It's about trying trickle-down, yet again, but cutting education budgets.

My ideal world would have very little government because it wouldn't be necessary.  People would be excellent to each other and negotiate things on their own.  People could rely on friends for help, on educated neighbors, on the bounties of mother nature.  They would be open-minded and trusting, because they could afford to be.

But these are not those times, and the actions the Republican party has, as a whole, been taken of late seem to be causing far more problems than otherwise.
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Re: The presidential season is upon us
« Reply #64 on: June 19, 2011, 04:49:42 pm »

Right. I'd rather have a government spending irresponsibly than cutting irresponsibly for no better reason than "cause."
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« Reply #65 on: June 19, 2011, 04:52:09 pm »

Right. I'd rather have a government spending irresponsibly than cutting irresponsibly for no better reason than "cause."
I would rather a system that allowed for two parties that were so polarised that one always spent irresponsibly and the other always saved irresponsibly, then switch them over at regular intervals, preferably timed with the economic cycle as to minimise fluctuation.

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« Reply #66 on: June 19, 2011, 04:53:49 pm »

I'd like a system in which party ideals weren't so prevalent and a single party were capable of both saving and spending responsibly.
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Re: The presidential season is upon us
« Reply #67 on: June 19, 2011, 04:54:25 pm »

Well... I don't think the deficit can really be said to be an issue that one party solves and the other messes up.  I mean, how many postwar presidents succeeded in cutting the deficit...?
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« Reply #68 on: June 19, 2011, 04:55:37 pm »

I'd like a system in which party ideals weren't so prevalent and a single party were capable of both saving and spending responsibly.
Oh Vector, you silly troll. That would require somebody sane to get into power, and a sane person can not accurately represent the majority, who are in fact lunatics.

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Re: The presidential season is upon us
« Reply #69 on: June 19, 2011, 04:56:17 pm »

I think this country needs a president everyone from both parties equally regrets. That way we can reset the clock on partisanship and obstruction, and get maybe 1 presidency in there before it all goes back to shit.

So, ya know, Mamma Grizzly in 2012.

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« Reply #70 on: June 19, 2011, 04:56:52 pm »

I'd like people to stop being so damned focused on ideological purity and just try do to the best possible thing in a given political situation. If I had a chance to rant to the entire nation on national television, that would be what I'd talk about.
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Re: The presidential season is upon us
« Reply #71 on: June 19, 2011, 04:58:15 pm »

I'd like a system in which party ideals weren't so prevalent and a single party were capable of both saving and spending responsibly.
Oh Vector, you silly troll. That would require somebody sane to get into power, and a sane person can not accurately represent the majority, who are in fact lunatics.
What, like Coolidge did?
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Re: The presidential season is upon us
« Reply #72 on: June 19, 2011, 04:59:02 pm »

Right. I'd rather have a government spending irresponsibly than cutting irresponsibly for no better reason than "cause."

Well, look at Wisconsin:
"Look guys, we have no money for teachers so let's cut unions"
"Meanwhile I'm going to handoff these big grants to companies I have ties with in regards to our prison structure"

And education in general:
"We'll cut education while spending more on prisons than we do educating our youth and keep funding two wars

And our taxes:
"We're deep in the hole, so let's cut taxes on the rich while increasing sales tax and taxes on the poor"

... That's what the Republican party has been saying as of late. That isn't even touching healthcare.

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Re: The presidential season is upon us
« Reply #73 on: June 19, 2011, 04:59:13 pm »

I'd like people to stop being so damned focused on ideological purity and just try do to the best possible thing in a given political situation. If I had a chance to rant to the entire nation on national television, that would be what I'd talk about.

Yes, I agree 100% with this.
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Re: The presidential season is upon us
« Reply #74 on: June 19, 2011, 04:59:28 pm »

Right now both party are socializing the cost and privatizing the benefits, same in Europe. The taxpayer pay, the taxpayer loose power, the taxpayer see environmental regulation guaranteeing the integrity of his environment vanish, and never see his money back.

Vote all you want, don't vote all you want, but as long as you don't do something a bit better organized, you'll go nowhere. The way thing are, neither party will do any good: they are both eating in the hands of corporations.
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