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Author Topic: Are dwarves that have become used to tragity immune to tantrums?  (Read 11198 times)

BossChase

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Re: Are dwarves that have become used to tragity immune to tantrums?
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2011, 05:14:07 pm »

I don't know... I look at it as "Helping" the dwarves (which are already crazy) by trying to alter their emotional states away from suicide and/or killing their friends. Kinda like the testing done in the 60's. A little drilling in the brain, pain tolerance, electrocution, pets you love falling from great heights and splattering on your table during breakfast. It helps keep a dwarf balanced. =p
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« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2011, 06:46:32 pm »



I can't find the thread right now, but there's a great method for violent death farming. 

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Re: Are dwarves that have become used to tragity immune to tantrums?
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2011, 03:12:48 am »

A little drilling in the brain, pain tolerance, electrocution, pets you love falling from great heights and splattering on your table during breakfast. It helps keep a dwarf balanced.
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Re: Are dwarves that have become used to tragity immune to tantrums?
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2011, 05:30:13 am »

Speaking of getting used to tragedy. Is that just from witnessing death? Because my sheriff currently has "she doesn't really care about anything anymore." Despite never witnessing any deaths (I don't think) and never beating someone to death. All that's happened is she got attacked by a skeletal giant eagle and can no longer walk.
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Re: Are dwarves that have become used to tragity immune to tantrums?
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2011, 05:42:31 am »

Getting used to tragedy means death of close ones stop having happiness hits on them. That doesn't make them immune to unhappiness, it just removes the #1 source of unhappiness spikes.
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Re: Are dwarves that have become used to tragity immune to tantrums?
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2011, 06:21:32 am »

Does no one else feel HORRIBLE that we're developing scientific methods to turn dwarves into sociopaths? >>

No... I don't really care about anything anymore.
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Re: Are dwarves that have become used to tragity immune to tantrums?
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2011, 02:46:28 pm »

Couldn't one engineer an automatic siege-stopper to drop the goblins right into the dining hall?
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Re: Are dwarves that have become used to tragity immune to tantrums?
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2011, 04:06:47 pm »

I've had a miner before who hadn't seen any death, but did get "has started to become used to tragedy". I believe it was caused by a couple bad falls she had. It might be that injury alone can cause it, in which case it should be fairly simple to set up a 2-3 z level drop "trap" and have your dwarves constantly sent off to the hospital. This should net you resistance to tantrum spirals and experience for your doctors.
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Re: Are dwarves that have become used to tragity immune to tantrums?
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2011, 04:19:36 pm »

It will also make their friends get used to tragedy when they invariably land on their heads and die.
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Re: Are dwarves that have become used to tragity immune to tantrums?
« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2011, 04:57:58 pm »

But what if you dig a section into your dining hall for falling animals, separate it with iron bars, and stick a few zombies or something that eats flesh in there to clean up the organs and prevent miasma? Is there even such a thing as an animal that does this? Would the dwarves still get used to tragedy if they saw that? It could be like dwarven television. Or, rather than make it a long fall, you could make it a 1-2 zlevel fall into a pit full of untamed grizzlies so a lot of things would just get injured from the fall and then they'd have to fight the bears with those injuries while the dwarves watched. Or would a window work for this?
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Re: Are dwarves that have become used to tragity immune to tantrums?
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2011, 04:59:35 pm »

Zombies don't eat flesh. Yet.

And even if they did, their presence would just scare the dwarves away from the room. Same goes for the grizzlies.
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Re: Are dwarves that have become used to tragity immune to tantrums?
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2011, 05:04:05 pm »

Does the fact that we can come up with, and generally are fine with, this many ways to efficiently kill things make all of us sociopaths?

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Re: Are dwarves that have become used to tragity immune to tantrums?
« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2011, 02:08:36 pm »

Are there any downsides to not caring about anything anymore, such as being more susceptible to unhappiness from other sources?

I'm only talking about game mechanics of course, so their being mentally scarred and traumatized doesn't count.
Toady or some modder should make it so Dwarves who get to this point get rest from sleep less efficiently, like maybe a ~x(.95) modifier. It wouldn't have much meaningful effect; it would just represent them occasionally having a nightmare and subsequently waking up in a cold sweat. Then once they realize it was just a flashback and they were only dreaming, they quietly sob for a few minutes until their heart stops racing and they drift back to sleep.
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Re: Are dwarves that have become used to tragity immune to tantrums?
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2011, 02:16:53 pm »

Zombies don't eat flesh. Yet.
Elves on the other hand, do. As do trolls I believe. The issue of civilians running away can be resolved by having the 'cleanup' happen 'offscreen' - so they witness the death, but are spared the sight of the corpse disposal system.

You know? Magma is actually the easier and more practical solution for corpse disposal instead of live flesh eaters.

Are there any downsides to not caring about anything anymore, such as being more susceptible to unhappiness from other sources?
I read somewhere that it makes them drink more often. That's a vague memory though with no source attached so experimentation is needed to verify or disprove it.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2011, 02:19:46 pm by Psieye »
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Re: Are dwarves that have become used to tragity immune to tantrums?
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2011, 02:21:45 pm »

I never thought I'd say magma is worse than anything at anything...... :o  :-\
but disposing of corpses via zombies actually sounds like a cooler alternative. Or elf prisoners. Like seriously, think of how awesome that would be. I don't even think they'd mind being in there. It's free food for life!
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