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[set]

First time poster, please be gentle.


I think I made a slight mistake... after several goblin ambushes I had some unmelted goblinite armor and weapons, as well as some copper and silver ones. I have some spare ore reserved for steelmaking, so I really don't need those.


So, I sold it to the elven caravan. I realized as soon as I typed 't' to complete the trade transaction. D'oh!

[Girlinhat]

Wait a season.  You'll get more goblinite.  It's a renewable, eco-friendly resource.

[AutomataKittay]

Don't worry, you'll harvest next crop of goblinite soon enough! Just remember to keep an eye on the trading, you never know what might fall in

[set]

I was kinda worried that the weapons I traded might come back to bite me in the ass. You know, elven ambushes and such.

[AutomataKittay]

Nah, elfs never comes with metal. And as far as I know they don't sieges, unless something's changed in recent version as I still plays .18. Even then, they don't have metal, so pick them off at your leisure.

[Angel Of Death]

Have they left? You can deconstruct the trade depot and get all of their stuff.

[Girlinhat]

Never seen elf sieges, but never tried to make them siege.  They'll send siege-sized ambushes very easily, as I'd get 5 waves of elves riding war bears.  It wasn't impressive, because the war bear's AI prevented any real combat.  Elves on foot would have been more impressive.  Either way, they only mobilize in spring, so you just have to watch out for the 3rd-5th month of the year for them.

[celem]

Yeah elves dont seige in the regular sense.  It is a seige in terms of gameplay mechanics, but you dont get 'A vile force of darkness' message and I dont recall if you get the seige flag till they are uncovered (maybe not even then)

You see the same behaviour from various other ambush races (that is races with stealth tags) in mods like Fortress Defense (Minatorossi for example send seige-sized ambush waves complete with notable leaders but i dont see vile force flags for them since they dont uncloak on map entry)

What im saying is that their ambushes are the seiges

Their wooden gear should be a joke.  wooden spears and archer packs are about the only thing they have that could kill you.

[Girlinhat]

There's two types of ambushes.  Goblins have the [BABYSNATCHER] token, which means "they send thieves to steal babies and ambushes to harass your civilization".  Elves have the [AMBUSH] token, which sends full-sized sieges, except stealth.

[set]

So, should I assume, in case the elves come and ambush my fort (Since I killed several elven caravans), they'll forget about the metal weapons and armor I just sold them and come full wooden garb, as usual?

[celem]

Yeah the stuff that leaves with the caravan disappears from the world.  Expect this to change soon, but DF trade cycles arnt quite there yet

[Girlinhat]

Yup, elves will trade metal, but I think they just put it on display, or sell it away.  Either way, fortress mode doesn't support such fancy bits as tracking weapons and such.  Every invader will come wearing (apparently) spontaniously generated gear.  Apparently, Toady has been working hard to track items and such in worldgen, and have everything present in the world tracked and accounted for, but I've seen hundreds of goblins arrive weapon the same iron breastplate.  They've either mastered mass production, or it's spontaneous.  Still, elves won't show up wearing metal because you traded them metal.  In fact, they won't wage war at all.  Due to some oversights, it's impossible to get elves to declare war on you during fortress mode.  Humans will, if you kill their diplomat, but elves have no diplomats.

[Senty]

Don't the Elves send someone asking you to only cut down X trees this year, or was that taken out?

[Girlinhat]

This was apparently taken out sometime between 40d and .18

[Zahariel]

As mentioned above, elves will send stealthed siege-size groups (up to 5 squads) if you piss them off enough. Of course they come equipped with nigh-useless wooden armor and weapons, so the only dangerous ones are bowelf squads or elite bowelf captains. These are not actual sieges though, just standard attacks similar to a goblin "ambush". They're bigger because elven civs are usually bigger than goblin civs.

I believe if you continue pissing them off after this point, they may send an actual siege. Because elven civs are so much bigger, an elven siege may contain HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of elves. All stealthed, all with useless wooden armor and weapons. But with that many elves, at least a few of them will likely be bowelves. It's pretty hard to get them pissed off to this extent though, since they don't seem to mind you killing off their caravans all that much. Probably it's not actually possible now since they don't demand tree-cutting limits anymore (which used to piss them off a whole lot).