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Re: Let's read the EULA! Bonus: Health and Safety
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2011, 05:30:13 am »

Now I'm going to have to read EULAs.
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Re: Let's read the EULA! III: XBox Live/Windows Live Terms of Service
« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2011, 01:02:57 am »

It looks like the current pending requests are:
-WoW
-Xbox 360
-iTunes
I don't think I'll be using the iTunes one, because it seems like a lot of people have gone over it already. So I guess it's a coin flip between the other two. *flips* Xbox it is!

Today we're reviewing the Xbox Live and Games for Windows Terms of Use. As usual, the website is ugly and hard to read so you should paste it into a word program if you're following along. It looks pretty similar to other EULA's we've done so far, but hopefully there will be enough unique elements to keep it interesting.

As usual, you are advised to take a break somewhere in the course of reading this. It's godawful long.

1.  This Is a Contract between You and Microsoft.

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This is a contract between you and Microsoft Corporation... or, based on where you live, one of the Microsoft Corporation affiliates.  We will refer to ourselves in this contract as "Microsoft", "we", "us", or “our”.
Pretty straightforward, this. Worth noting since they're actually using Microsoft in their contract instead of some other silly name. Oh, heads up, I may use "XBL" for Xbox Live later.

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This contract covers your use of the Xbox LIVE and Games for Windows LIVE interactive services... To avoid any confusion, when you register to use the Xbox LIVE service, you are registering for both the Xbox LIVE service and the Games for Windows LIVE service.
Nice and simple. I should note that so far this is a pretty readable document. It also says that this governs things downloaded from Xbox Live or the windows marketplace.

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The Service is offered to you conditioned on your acceptance of all terms in this contract.  By selecting "ACCEPT" below, you are representing that you are 18 years old... [and that your registration information is correct]
This again. I find it humorous. Just remember, they CAN revoke your account if you claim to be born on January 1st, 0 in Nazareth.

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In addition, if you were a party to a prior version of this contract, that version may have stated that the contract can only be updated on 30 days’ notice.  By selecting “ACCEPT” below, you are also agreeing to waive the applicability of this notice requirement.
Oh my! Here I thought I was on a good streak. It looks like previously, there was a clause in the EULA that said the EULA could not be modified without a month's notice. Then they made a change to the EULA that revoked that. Looks like this is yet another EULA that can be changed at any time.

Oh, and as usual, there's a clause saying that if you don't agree to the contract you don't get any XBL service.

2.  Additional Terms.

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Certain games, content offerings, features, or events (for example, sweepstakes and tournaments) that are available via the Service may contain additional terms, codes of conduct, or guidelines
Yeah, this just governs third party stuff. I think it would be clearer if I paraphrased than quoted:
-Some things may cause you to enter additional contracts with third parties
-These contracts may not affect Microsoft's contract with you
-Microsoft is not responsible for any number of problems, fiascoes or shenanigans third parties may cause
-Microsoft's agreement comes first:
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Your use of any part of the Service as accessed through a third party web site or social network, however, is still governed by this contract – even if the terms or agreements applicable to such a third party web site state otherwise.

3.  When You May Use the Service.
This is just a brief paragraph.

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You may start using the Service as soon as you have finished the sign-up process... except if the law requires a "cooling off" period despite your waiver and even when a Service starts right away.
Which is a weird thing to say, because I don't know of any law that prevents you from accessing an online service immediately, anywhere. Just an odd provision, I guess, or maybe it applies only to Estonia or something.

4.   Using the Service.
This is the section regarding your code of conduct.

First off, it says you shouldn't break any laws (yawn) or break the XBL Code of Conduct. While the code of conduct is kind of an aside and some of it is redundant to the EULA, I'd like to take a brief look at it. Let's see... it encourages you to mute players instead of argue, don't be obnoxious, don't cheat, don't sell accounts, there's a list of how account suspension works...
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D. Expression of Relationship Orientation

You may use the following terms to express your relationship orientation or gender identity in your profile or Gamertag:

    * Lesbian
    * Gay
    * Bi
    * Transgender
    * Straight

Other terms regarding relationship orientation are not allowed. In addition you may not use these terms or any other terms regarding relationship orientation to insult, harass, or any other pejorative use against other users.
Hmmmmmm. Well, I don't envy whoever was on the committee to write up this policy. Also, what other "terms regarding relationship orientation" are not allowed, exactly? Beastial? You know what, actually, I just don't want to know. :(

Any-hoo, back to our regular programming. Next up:
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YOU MUST NOT: [bullet-pointed list]
Time to pick on some bullet points! ...actually meh, this bit is pretty standard. Stuff about not hacking the service or viruses or cheating or advertising/selling things over XBL.
It's also got the bullet-pointed list from the Code of Conduct. Notably, it says you must not use XBL to:
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Publish, distribute, or disseminate any content, topic, name, material, file, or information that incites, advocates, promotes, depicts, constitutes, or expresses ... profanity, hatred, bigotry, racism, illegal drug use, gratuitous or graphic violence, or criminal or fraudulent activity; [emphasis mine]

Good thing there isn't profanity or violence in things Microsoft publishes or markets on the Xbox or Xbox Live...

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Create a Gamertag, avatar or use text in other profile fields that may offend other members.
This sort of thing always worries me. The whole bullet point mentions that this includes various offensive things, but I still wonder where they draw the line on people who are offended just being crazy as opposed to screen names being too offensive.

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Download or use any material sent or provided by another user of the Service that you know, or reasonably should know, cannot be legally shared or distributed in such manner (except as expressly permitted by us);
This is meant to prevent piracy. However, it looks to me like the wording implies that it's okay to download something that isn't legal as long as Microsoft expressly permits it. :P Not that they could actually do that, but hey, I get my laughs.

5.  Your Service account, associated accounts and accounts from third parties. Is this a good time to mention there's 19 sections?
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Only you may use your Service account. ...You’re responsible for all activity that takes place with your Service account and any associated accounts.
The details and exceptions of that make up this section.

Chiefly, this regards:
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If you allow or enable a minor to use your Service account or an associated account, then:
A list! And it's for the children!

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You represent that you are the parent or legal guardian of each such minor;
Again, this weird policy of not letting other people's children use your account. What's up with that? Do they think kids don't have friends over and then proceed to share the XBL account?

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You acknowledge that you are aware that some features of the Service, and some content available through the Service may contain or expose users to material that is unsuitable for minors...
What they don't tell you is that the worst profanity comes from squeaky twelve-year-olds.

Other than that it mostly just says to use your parental settings.

6. If You Pay Microsoft.
The first bit of this section notes that it doesn't apply to payments made to third parties.

Boring details: When you give them your payment information you agree to let them take money from you before, shortly after or on a subscription to the service, and...
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Also, we may charge you up to the amount you have approved.
Up to? Sweet! It looks like Microsoft decided to make it clear that they weren't required to take your money. For some reason.

It also mentions that subscriptions will be automatically renewed unless you say otherwise, and that free trials might automatically upgrade (and charge you). Standard, but ugh. I think I already complained a lot about this practice earlier though.

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In addition, the price we set for certain features or functions in the Service may vary depending on whether the features or functions are accessed from Xbox LIVE or from Games for Windows LIVE...
Huh, that's weird. They can have different prices for the same service on your Xbox and PC.

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Unless otherwise provided by law or in connection with any particular Service offer, all charges are earned when received and are non-refundable...
The usual.

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If we make an error on your bill, we’ll correct it promptly after you tell us and we investigate the charge.  You must tell us within 120 days after an error first appears on your bill.
It looks like they have a pretty good policy on billing errors. Again, not much to say though.

Oh, and alarmingly, they reserve the right to cancellation charges.
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Some Service offers may require you to pay cancellation charges as stated in the materials describing the offer.

It also says you're responsible for paying for your own internet service, and mentions that content purchases are covered further in section 10.

Oh, and section 7 is just regarding payments made to... presumably people selling things through XBL, or refunds. It's only one paragraph and it mostly just says that they can't pay you if you don't provide your payment information.
8.  Your Content.
This is the part that says you have no rights to things you post!

Basically, the whole section describes the various ways in which any content you put on XBL becomes open content. Most notably:
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...you grant to those members of the public to whom you have granted access (for content posted on shared and private areas of the Service) or to the public (for content posted on public areas of the Service), and, in either case, to us, free, unlimited, worldwide, nonexclusive, perpetual, and irrevocable permission to:

    * use, modify, copy, distribute, and display the content in connection with the Service and other Microsoft products and services;
    * publish your name, Gamertag, or other information you supply in connection with the content; and
    * grant these rights to others.
Not quite as silly as the one in World of Tanks (they only went for worldwide rights, whereas World of Tanks claims rights including on the moon), but still pretty crazy. Same goes with photos, it basically considers you to have signed a release form in the act of posting one.
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If the submission is a photograph or other digital image, you also expressly waive any and all rights of privacy and publicity with respect to the image.
As far as I know, there haven't been any scandals with this. But I'd like to make clear what this allows: Let's suppose, theoretically, you uploaded a picture of yourself naked somehow. Say, you forgot your camera was on and taking video of you playing a game and you sat down on your catch for some pre-breakfast video games. Microsoft could then, legally, sell this picture. Mm-hmm. It's what you're agreeing to. They wouldn't, but suppose a less trustworthy company had this sort of agreement? Think about it.

Oh, and on a less sensational note, it says not to violate copyright and to back up your own data.

9.  Privacy.
Whee! This is what they do with your credit card number (note it has nothing to do with user-uploaded content such as photos).

First off, it says that collecting certain information about you is necessary to provide the service. It may be disclosed, however.
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In particular, we may access or disclose information about you, including the content of your communications, in order to: (a) comply with the law or respond to lawful requests or legal process; (b) protect the rights or property of Microsoft, our partners, or our customers, including the enforcement of our agreements or policies governing your use of the Service; or (c) act on a good faith belief that such access or disclosure is necessary to protect the personal safety of Microsoft employees, customers, or the public.
I'm not sure when disclosing your personal information will be necessary to protect Microsoft employees, but most of this makes sense.

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We may use technology or other means to protect the Service, protect our customers, or stop you from breaching this contract.  These means may include, for example, filtering to stop spam or increase security.  These means may hinder or break your use of the Service.
"The spam filter might break your account." That's... frank.

It also says that information about things like online time and gameplay is collected for various purposes (such as leaderboards or charting server load).

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You should not expect any level of privacy concerning your use of the live communication features (for example, voice chat, video and communications in live-hosted gameplay sessions) offered through the Service.
Good internet advice. It says that you may be monitored, but shouldn't rely on it.

10.  Intellectual Property. I'm on page 10 of 15.

Basically, this says that you don't have copy rights to the software you download. You cannot resell it, etc.
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...the software and Service are solely licensed and not sold.

And, it says not to hack or jailbreak it.
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You must not work around any technical limitations in the software. You must not disassemble, decompile, or reverse engineer any software that’s included in the Service...

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The software is subject to U.S. export laws and regulations.
Okay, that's pretty normal. What else does it entail?
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Without limitation, you may not transfer the software or Service without U.S. government permission to anyone on U.S. government exclusion lists... the governments of Iran, Sudan, or Cuba; or prohibited members of the Cuban Communist Party.
Holy crap. Yikes. Wow. No communists allowed, huh? Don't think I've seen this in other EULAs.

11.  Microsoft Points.
If you didn't know already, Microsoft points are the currency used to buy things on XBL. You can purchase it directly from your credit card or from cards sold in stores.
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If you obtain Microsoft Points, you have obtained a limited license to a digital product.  Points have no monetary value.
Yadda yadda, the usual.

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...no refunds are available for unused Points.  Points may only be available for purchase in a few denominations.
Okay, that's actually more sinister than it sounds. The "few denominations" mentioned are offset a little from the standard price points of their products- so that when you buy things with Microsoft Points, you tend to have a little left over that's too little to spend on anything, and you can't ever seem to exchange the exact amount of real currency you're paying for an item. So not only does it obscure the actual price of an item sold on XBL (even if you do the math to convert points to currency, you have to buy the fixed, odd amounts of points), it leaves you with "money" that you can only really make use of if you buy more Microsoft points to even it out. Genuinely evil.

It also says that they can delete your points (but only if they suspect you're doing something fraudulent) and that free points given out for promotions might have an expiry date (but regular points don't expire).

12.  Service Operation and Equipment.
This is kind of a long segment, but it basically only says stuff about not reverse engineering or modifying your console. And, more importantly, it says that Microsoft can attempt to detect hacked consoles and shut down their Xbox live service.

13.  How We May Change the Contract.
This section is really short. All it says is that they can change the contract and you have to agree with it. Remember, there apparently used to be a provision here saying that they had to give you 30 days' notice, but they removed it.

14.  WE MAKE NO WARRANTY.
They make no warranty! This is so you can't try to sue Microsoft because XBL went down Friday night. They do note, though:
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You may have additional consumer rights under your local laws that this contract cannot change.

15.  LIABILITY LIMITATION.
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You can recover from the Microsoft parties for all claims only direct damages up to a total, aggregate amount equal to your Service fee for one month.
That's right: This section says no matter what happens to XBL or Windows Live (service down/incompatible, loss of data, virus destroys your computer through windows live, Microsoft breaches an agreement with you) -note that those things are specifically listed- you're entitled to, at maximum, a month's service fee, of ten dollars or so.
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It also applies even if this remedy does not fully compensate you for any losses, or fails of its essential purpose or we knew or should have known about the possibility of the damages.
Jeez.

16.  Changes to the Service; If We Cancel the Service.
This is also a pretty short section... it says that if they change or cancel the service, you basically have to deal with it. The only provision here they make in favor of the consumer is that if they close down the service "without cause", they'll refund you for the subscription time you won't get.

17. General Legal Terms ugh this bit looks boring...
There's a lot of loosely-related or unrelated clauses here. Let's look at the important ones:

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A court may hold that we cannot enforce a part of this contract as written.  If this happens, ...the rest of this contract won’t change.
Pretty much standard.

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If you are accessing the Service within Germany, the agreement located at http://www.xbox.com/de-DE/legal/LiveTOU applies.
Well, I have no idea what to make of this. As usual, Google translator turns anything German into a complete word salad. However, it appears to be basically the same contract. I just can't figure out what the differences are (apparently Germany was significant legally, because there isn't a separate TOU for any other country mentioned here).

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Assignment and Transfer. We may assign, transfer, or otherwise dispose our rights and obligations under this contract, in whole or in part, at any time without notice.
This section really bugs me. It's basically a clause that says Microsoft doesn't have to keep any of its agreements made in this contract, at all, and it doesn't have to tell you about it. Really. Weasels.

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Claims Must Be Filed Within One Year. You must bring any claim related to this contract or the Service within one year after the date you could first bring the claim, unless your local law requires a longer time to file claims.
This says any legal claim regarding XBL has to be filed within one year... however, I can't imagine a situation in which this would override the limit or lack thereof given by national or state laws regarding lawsuits. In fact, I think they might as well just ask pretty please with a cherry on top and get the same results before a court.

Section 18 says that legal claims regarding the EULA are carried out under Washington State law if they're in America and under the appropriate local laws in other countries, basically.

19.  NOTICES.
Oh screw this section it just says Microsoft has copyrights on its logo and crap.

We're Done! Finally. Gog.

Maybe I was just tired when I started, but my brain feels especially pudding-like after this one. After having read a few EULAs, I'm kind of surprised that new and creative clauses we can get angry at keep coming up- but they do.

So, what should we do next? Also, do you guys like the long posts or prefer short, less pudding-inducing ones?
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Re: Let's read the EULA! III: XBox Live/Windows Live Terms of Service
« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2011, 08:21:34 am »

 You're cutting out the undifferentiated stuff and showing us the good pieces, shortening them without choosing shorter contracts would drop interesting tidbits. You can always take a break though, the length of which always up to you. I'm guess the World of Warcraft contract is next?
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Re: Let's read the EULA! III: XBox Live/Windows Live Terms of Service
« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2011, 01:01:45 pm »


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You may start using the Service as soon as you have finished the sign-up process... except if the law requires a "cooling off" period despite your waiver and even when a Service starts right away.
Which is a weird thing to say, because I don't know of any law that prevents you from accessing an online service immediately, anywhere. Just an odd provision, I guess, or maybe it applies only to Estonia or something.
As a person who was born and lives in Estonia, I believe I can say "Nope" with 99% certainty, unless I have been horribly breaking laws for years.
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Re: Let's read the EULA! III: XBox Live/Windows Live Terms of Service
« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2011, 01:46:15 pm »

I feel weird. You reccomend reading these with breaks... I read all 3 in about 15 minutes, no breaks.

Is this bad?
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Re: Let's read the EULA! III: XBox Live/Windows Live Terms of Service
« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2011, 01:54:03 pm »

I feel weird. You reccomend reading these with breaks... I read all 3 in about 15 minutes, no breaks.

Is this bad?
That's quite fast, but, my perception of their length is probably pretty warped because I'm writing the post and reading the actual EULA.
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Re: Let's read the EULA! III: XBox Live/Windows Live Terms of Service
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2011, 02:05:13 pm »

Watching. This is strangely interesting.
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« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2011, 01:01:20 pm »

I'm back from a brief traveling sojourn. I'll do the WoW EULA sometime this week, if I haven't got any better suggestions (and all next week I'm traveling again).
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Re: Let's read the EULA! III: XBox Live/Windows Live Terms of Service
« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2011, 12:14:26 pm »

So, about when will you post the WoW EULA?
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Re: Let's read the EULA! IV: WoW EULA
« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2011, 12:52:25 am »

I'm back! Sorry for the delay. I didn't want to not play X3 in the little time I had before camp and, since I've gotten back, I've not wanted to not be... some kind of vegetable that reads web comics. Oh, and I was playing Kerbal Space Program. Very dwarfy game, that.

But back on topic- after much ado, I'm going to read through the World of Warcraft End User License Agreement! I will be listening to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_CRbbHzT0Q Stream of Instrumentals to keep track of how much time I'm wasting.

As usual, you're encouraged to follow along with the source material. Pasting the EULA in a word processor might make it easier on the eyes. This is never going to stop bugging me- why must it always be gray text on a gray background? Or in this case, the opposite- microcline-colored?


"YOU SHOULD CAREFULLY READ THE FOLLOWING WORLD OF WARCRAFT TERMS OF USE AGREEMENT"
Here's the opening bit- right off the bat, it says that you must agree to the agreement (otherwise it wouldn't be an agreement, I guess). If you don't, you get 30 days to request a refund. Which I should say is a little unusual, most EULA's don't make plain provisions for the buyer.

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Welcome to Blizzard Entertainment, Inc.’s (“Blizzard”) World of Warcraft® (the “Game”).
There's a few terms out of the way. It also says that battlenet is "the service", and it has its own EULA of sorts, but that's included in the game EULA. Plus that there's a game activation code, yadda yadda, boring, obvious.

1.    Grant of a Limited License to Use the Service

For the most part, this just says that you may not use your WoW client for commerical purposes. It also says that:
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You may not use the Service... in connection with any other software.

2.    Additional License Limitations.

Unshocklingly, this section outlines some limits on your license.
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Any use of the Service or the Game Client in violation of the License Limitations will be regarded as an infringement of Blizzard’s copyrights in and to the Game.
I'm pretty sure that if, for example, you cheated, it can't be held as a copyright violation. I think that's kind of like catching someone jaywalking and accusing them of a parking violation- it doesn't really make a difference, but you might as well be correct about it.

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You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:
Ooh, list!

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...use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software.
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exploit the Game or any of its parts, including without limitation the Service, for any commercial purpose...
It goes on the detail that this means gold farming, use in cyber cafes, power leveling, and other things that are beneficial to the Korean economy.
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use any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, “mines,” or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service... Blizzard may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces;
So, you can't open up a site like WoW Stats unless you get the OK from Blizzard.
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modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Game Client or the Service in any way not expressly authorized by Blizzard;

The list goes on a little, and also forbids trying to knock down the network or hosting emulators.

3.    Eligibility.
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You represent that you are an adult in your country of residence. You agree to these Terms of Use on behalf of yourself and, at your discretion, for one (1) minor child for whom you are a parent or guardian...
Here's weird rules about kids again, like in XBLA and PSN. Apparently it's a violation of the agreement to let two kids share an account.

4.    Ownership.
This just says that by owning a copy of the game you don't own the intellectual property or the right to publish copies.

5.    No Ownership Rights in Account.
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YOU SHALL HAVE NO OWNERSHIP OR OTHER PROPERTY INTEREST IN ANY ACCOUNT STORED OR HOSTED ON A BLIZZARD SYSTEM... YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT ALL RIGHTS IN AND TO SUCH ACCOUNTS ARE AND SHALL FOREVER BE OWNED BY AND INURE TO THE BENEFIT OF BLIZZARD.
This says you don't actually "own" your account. I'm pretty sure this has two practical ramifcations:
-You can't claim property losses if your account is deleted or lost;
-Blizzard can publish information on your account (for example if a blizzard-published commercial had footage of players chatting).

6.    Account Suspension/Deletion.
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BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ANY BNET ACCOUNT OR WORLD OF WARCRAFT ACCOUNT AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON
And that sums it up. Also, it has a hyperlink to the EULA page in this section. Which is funny, because this section is on the EULA page. Kind of like this.

7.    Code of Conduct.
So far the EULA has been pretty reasonable, as EULAs go. Maybe we'll find something funny here...
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As with all things, your use of the Game is governed by certain rules.
How deeply philosophical, Blizzard.

Up next is... a list! It also notes that the list is "not intended to be exhaustive" and Blizzard employees have the banhammer at their discretion. Actually, it's not a list. It's three lists, listed in order. My head is starting to list back and forth just thinking about that... I'll just keep it short and pick at the odd parts, but the basics are all in here too.

First up is usernames and guild names (it notes that Blizzard GMs can change names or ban accounts).
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In particular, you may not use any name:

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That belongs to a popular culture figure, celebrity, or media personality;
Huh. I wonder how much that's enforced; I've heard tales of whole clans consisting of characters named after Naruto or Chuck Norris.

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Belonging to any religious figure or deity;
That reminds me, I should make a Jesus character in City of Heroes.

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Taken from Blizzard's Warcraft products, including character names from the Warcraft series of novels;
Hm, jeez. They sure are restricting a lot of names that have to do with being related to things. Which I think makes up a good portion of names in MMOs.

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(ix) Comprised of partial or complete sentence (e.g., "Inyourface", "Welovebeef", etc);

(x) Comprised of gibberish (e.g., "Asdfasdf", "Jjxccm", "Hvlldrm");

(xi) Referring to pop culture icons or personas (e.g. " "Britneyspears", "Austinpowers", "Batman")

(xii) That utilizes "Leet" or "Dudespeak" (e.g., "Roflcopter", "xxnewbxx", "Roxxoryou")
On the one hand, this is pretty sweet. On the other hand, nothing can truly stamp out the slavering masses of twelve year olds.

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That incorporates titles. For purposes of this subsection, "titles" shall include without limitation 'rank' titles (e.g. , "CorporalTed," or "GeneralVlad"), monarchistic or fantasy titles (e.g., "KingMike", "LordSanchez"), and religious titles (e.g., "ThePope," or "Reverend Al").
Jeez. Restrictive much?

Then there's the THOU SHALT NOT list for chat:

First there's the bits about being offensive, and then a massive amount of rules regarding stomping out spammers. In fact, anti-spam makes up a good half of the section.

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Communicate directly with players who are playing characters aligned with the opposite faction (e.g. Horde communicating with Alliance or vice versa);
I think this is the one weird rule on the list. What does directly mean? Can you get in trouble for stopping and chatting in the PVP zone? Or is it for, say, VOIPing with people in the other faction- how would they enforce that?

Then, there's the bit on gameplay conduct. All that it explicitly prohibits is exploits, but this section actually has a notable paragraph in which Blizzard justifies what is not a violation of conduct, and explains their reasoning. You rarely see something like that in an EULA.
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Blizzard considers most conduct to be part of the Game, and not harassment, so player-killing the enemies of your race and/or alliance, including gravestone and/or corpse camping, is considered a part of the Game. Because the Game is a "player vs. player" game, you should always remember to protect yourself in areas where the members of hostile races can attack you, rather than contacting Blizzard's in-game customer service representatives for help when you have been killed by an enemy of your race.
Sadly, the people who call WoW support trying to get them to ban PvPers probably don't read the EULA first. Still I commend Blizzard giving explanation in the EULA.

8.    Ownership/Selling of the Account or Virtual Items.
This just says that in-game items have no cash value- so, don't buy/sell them, and don't ask Blizzard for reimbursement.

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9.    Changes to the Terms of Use or the Game.
If any section gets particularly scary, this will probably be it.

This was a long section, until I cut put the messy synonyms. For example:
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Blizzard reserves the right, at its sole and absolute discretion, to change, modify, add to, supplement or delete, at any time, any of the terms and conditions of this Agreement, any feature of the Game or the Service, hours of availability, content, data, software or equipment needed to access the Game or the Service, effective with or without prior notice...
Becomes:
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Blizzard reserves the right... to change... any of the terms... of this Agreement, any feature of the Game... without prior notice...
and it really means the same thing. A lot of reading EULAs consists of doing this, by the way.

They do give one provision:
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material changes to this Terms of Use Agreement will not be applied retroactively.

...and one forboding warning:
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Blizzard may also impose limits on certain features or restrict your access to parts or all of the Game without notice or liability.
I doubt they would ever sink so low, but this quote just conjures to mind a tooltip saying: "You must buy a WoW Premium Account to access this area! Upgrade now for an extra $4.99 per month!"

10.    Termination.
This says, in short, that to terminate the agreement you must remove your client and terminate your account(s).

Oh, sorry, couldn't help myself.

11.    Warranty Disclaimer.
They should have titled this section "there is no warranty". There isn't a warranty.

12.    Limitation of Liability.
This is one of those bits I can never seem to cut into easy-to-read chunks. A few notable things: It says first that blizzard shall be liable for NOTHING, in a rather exhaustive list of everything- including contracts. Does this mean that if another company working with Blizzard signs a contract, and their head plays WoW, Blizzard doesn't have to pay up? Then, after that bit, it says that if Blizzard is held liable, no fees shall be paid greater than those "paid by you to Blizzard during the six (6) months immediately prior to the time such claim arose." As if some court would overturn the first part of this section and uphold the second.

13.    Indemnification.
Another ugly chunk. It says you hold Blizzard harmless from attorney's fees and the like- again, as if some court would uphold that.

14.    Force Majeure.

Another short section, I'll quote the whole thing:
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Blizzard shall not be liable for any delay or failure to perform resulting from causes outside the reasonable control of Blizzard, including without limitation any failure to perform hereunder due to unforeseen circumstances or cause beyond Blizzard's control such as acts of God, war, terrorism, riots, embargoes, acts of civil or military authorities, fire, floods, accidents, strikes, or shortages of transportation facilities, fuel, energy, labor or materials.
Man, is anyone else getting "throughout the universe" flashbacks? Someone had a lot of fun preventing Blizzard from being responsible for delays caused because their EULA angered Zeus.

15.    Acknowledgments.
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You hereby acknowledge and agree that:
*commence huge list in caps*

You know, I get that EULAs want you pay attention to the all-caps sections, but it makes them godawful hard to read. In fact, I'm pretty sure a lot of EULAs make provisions against people chatting in all caps for just that reason...

Anyway, highlights from the long-winded list:
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WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) AND/OR CPU PROCESSES FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH WORLD OF WARCRAFT.
Stream of Instrumentals just ended! Anyway, don't you find the idea of WoW scanning for programs you aren't supposed to be using a little creepy? Sure, this is anti-cheating, but wait until EA Origin refuses to let you play EA games whilst Steam is running...

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WHEN THE GAME IS RUNNING, BLIZZARD MAY OBTAIN CERTAIN IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR COMPUTER... FOR PURPOSES OF IMPROVING THE GAME AND/OR THE SERVICE, AND TO POLICE AND ENFORCE THE PROVISIONS OF ANY BLIZZARD AGREEMENT.
Do you hear that? It's George Orwell. He's rolling. In his grave.

It also says that what you say on WoW/Battlenet can be monitored, and that your personal activities online might be disclosed to authorities.

16.   Equitable Remedies.

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In the event that you breach this Agreement, you hereby agree that Blizzard would be irreparably damaged if this Agreement were not specifically enforced...
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...Blizzard shall be entitled, without bond, other security, or proof of damages, to appropriate equitable remedies with respect to breaches of this Agreement...
In other words, Blizzard reserves the right to lay down the law on EULA violations- that's right, "Equitable Remedies" just means banning/litigation. I'm pretty sure anyone sufficiently inspired could paraphrase, accurately in both contexts, this entire section with quotes from Scarface.

17.    Dispute Resolution and Governing Law.
This is the last big section. It looks beastly to read, but hey, there could always be good stuff in here.

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To expedite resolution and control the cost of any dispute, controversy or claim related to this Agreement (“Dispute”), you and Blizzard agree to first attempt to negotiate any Dispute ...informally for at least thirty (30) days before initiating any arbitration or court proceeding.
Well, that's weird. This apparently says that you can't file court proceedings until you've spent 30 days trying to negotiate with Blizzard. I wonder if it's worth anything in a court of law.

Then, there's a section that says that if you can't come to an informal agreement, you have a right to an arbitration, but NOT A JURY TRIAL.
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YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ABSENT THIS PROVISION, YOU WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO SUE IN COURT AND HAVE A JURY TRIAL.
I guess that means... well not much. You probably already stopped playing the game to revoke the EULA if you're looking for a jury trial. It further says that the American Arbitration Association will carry out the arbitration.

...but wait! There are exceptions:
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following Disputes are not subject to the above provisions concerning informal negotiations and binding arbitration: (1) any Disputes seeking to enforce or protect, or concerning the validity of, any of your or Blizzard’s intellectual property rights; (2) any Dispute related to, or arising from, allegations of theft, piracy, invasion of privacy or unauthorized use;
This says that intellectual property and piracy disputes aren't subject to the arbitration clause. In other words, things that most certainly only Blizzard would file against you, not you against Blizzard. So in other words, the earlier bit was just to hamper your ability to use the law in your favor.

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For residents outside the United States, any arbitration shall be initiated in the County of Los Angeles, State of California, United States of America.
Dunno what to say about this. At least it's a populous count, so they aren't obviously trying to take advantage of some weird law. It says that disputes for US residents take place at a "convenient location".

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Except as expressly provided otherwise, this Agreement shall be governed by, and will be construed under, the Laws of the United States of America and the law of the State of Delaware, without regard to choice of law principles.
Wait, what, they want disputes in California and lawsuits in Delaware? Why should they even get to choose? This rubs me the wrong way.

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The application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly excluded.
Good luck getting the United Nations to uphold that.

Lastly, it says that if one part of the EULA is overturned, the rest is upheld. I bet that part is always to first to be overturned.

18.    Miscellaneous.
This just restates the last bit on keeping the EULA if part of it is overturned (severability).

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I HEREBY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I HAVE READ AND UNDERSTAND THE FOREGOING TERMS OF USE AGREEMENT AND AGREE THAT MY USE OF THE GAME IS AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF MY AGREEMENT TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS TERMS OF USE AGREEMENT.
We're done!

Feel free to discuss. Also, what do you think we should do next?
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Re: Let's read the EULA! IV: WoW EULA
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2011, 02:05:23 am »

I'll be the first to say I'm glad I'm not a part of WoW. All it needs is that "In perpetuity" clause.
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Re: Let's read the EULA! IV: WoW EULA
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2011, 02:34:47 am »

I should say, it's one of the better ones so far (not that that speaks well of EULAs in general).
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Re: Let's read the EULA! I: World of Tanks
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2011, 05:36:43 am »

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YOU AGREE, THEREFORE, THAT YOU WILL NEVER ASSERT OR BRING ANY CLAIM OR SUIT AGAINST WN, ITS PARENT COMPANIES, DIVISIONS, SUBSIDIARIES, AFFILIATES, OR ANY EMPLOYEES OF ANY OF ABOVE, WHICH IS RELATED TO OR BASED ON, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO; (I) A CLAIM THAT YOU "OWN" ANY VIRTUAL GOODS IN ANY GAME, (II) A CLAIM FOR THE "VALUE" OF VIRTUAL GOODS IF WN DELETES THEM (AND/OR TERMINATES YOUR ACCOUNT(S)
What?

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...  YOU WILL NEVER ASSERT OR BRING ANY CLAIM ... AGAINST WN ... OR ANY EMPLOYEES ... WHICH IS RELATED TO OR BASED ON, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO <...>
Do I read it right? Do they ask you to agree to never bring any legal case against ANY of their employees which is based on something "BUT NOT LIMITED TO" it?

So if WN janitor kills your wife and children and they include this into the "not limited to" field, you have no right to sue him?

Lulz.
Nah, that'd be counted as an independent action outside of employment.
Unless they ordered him to do it. In which case, given that murder is illegal, it would be a void contract and wouldn't be of any use to anyone anyway.
(At least here in the USA)
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Re: Let's read the EULA! IV: WoW EULA
« Reply #43 on: July 14, 2011, 05:49:28 am »

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Taken from Blizzard's Warcraft products, including character names from the Warcraft series of novels;
Hm, jeez. They sure are restricting a lot of names that have to do with being related to things. Which I think makes up a good portion of names in MMOs.

Huh. Technically I am in violation of this one. The random name generator popped out a name that I later learned belongs to a very obscure NPC in the WoW world.

They almost never enforce name violations unless someone deliberately kicks up a fuss. Seeing as how I've gone four years with that name, nobody seems to know or care.

Only the blatant stuff seems to ever get changed. And even then, they can last for weeks before someone finally makes them change. I've seen this from experience. :P
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Re: Let's read the EULA! IV: WoW EULA
« Reply #44 on: July 14, 2011, 09:00:23 am »

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Except as expressly provided otherwise, this Agreement shall be governed by, and will be construed under, the Laws of the United States of America and the law of the State of Delaware, without regard to choice of law principles.
Wait, what, they want disputes in California and lawsuits in Delaware? Why should they even get to choose? This rubs me the wrong way.
I think I see what they are trying to do here. I believe the reason this exists is to make the process as costly as possible to the consumer. Imagine having to ship yourself back and forth between both ends of the US just to have the law laid down on them.
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