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Virex

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Re: Learning Programming
« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2011, 08:46:34 am »
Goto is not inherently evil (ask Donald Knuth if you don't believe me), but it's there for corner cases. If you can cut out 3 nested loops and a bunch of return statements with a goto then it could be useful (assuming people can still follow your code), but usually you get the opposite effect. (Notable exception being most Assembly languages where goto is the instruction to turn to when you need complex conditional statements, loops or even recursion)
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Re: Learning Programming
« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2011, 08:54:47 am »
Yeah, most loops are just a set of gotos (or jumps) and an if statement.

Also, I would definitely give C# a try (on Windows, of course) before using C++. Actually, I'd try anything before trying C++.
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Re: Learning Programming
« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2011, 09:01:16 am »
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Re: Learning Programming
« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2011, 09:13:14 am »
People are making c++ sound like some dark magic better left untouched.

First of all,the idea that c++ is super unsafe is kinda an overstatement. Yes, you can do operations that would crash the computer and go unnoticed by the compiler, but for that you have to actually know how to get around many of the builtin safetynet of errors the compiler will throw if you make bad code.

Hard is probably spot on, the language is static, so you need to know your programflow quite well before you can successfully program. But when you learn to use polymorphism and templates, you can actually avoid many of the hardships of normal static programming, and just focus on programing. But it is still very rewarding to learn.
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Re: Learning Programming
« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2011, 09:23:46 am »
I didn't say it's "dark magic," I just said it isn't a language I'd recommend starting with. It won't crash your computer, and it is very rewarding to learn, but the various .NET languages are a much better place to start.

Quote from: Virex on June 14, 2011, 09:01:16 am
Anything?
That is so cool. Also, Brainfuck.
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Re: Learning Programming
« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2011, 09:30:58 am »
I prefer ook!

http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/ook.html

Finally a programming language for orangutans.
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Re: Learning Programming
« Reply #36 on: June 14, 2011, 11:51:31 am »
Heh Brainfuck...actually a Brainfuck interpreter is one thing I'd recommend as a good (relatively) simple programming challenge once you think you're ready.

As for a starting language, well....You'll never see me recommending starting with a BASIC variant despite my own experience starting with QuickBASIC and then FreeBASIC. Likewise you'll never see me recommend anything like GameMaker.

C# is what I'd recommend, though I know a lot of people recommend Java...I wouldn't, but that's because I just don't like it much xD I can use it and do a lot with it but I still don't like it -,.,-
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Re: Learning Programming
« Reply #37 on: June 14, 2011, 03:57:22 pm »
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Re: Learning Programming
« Reply #38 on: June 14, 2011, 04:01:05 pm »
Lol does anyone "like" Java?
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Re: Learning Programming
« Reply #39 on: June 14, 2011, 04:19:27 pm »
Quote from: Tyius on June 14, 2011, 04:01:05 pm
Lol does anyone "like" Java?
I like Clojure, does that count?
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Re: Learning Programming
« Reply #41 on: June 14, 2011, 04:28:03 pm »
Malbolge is much more brainfucky than brainfuck.
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Re: Learning Programming
« Reply #42 on: June 14, 2011, 04:31:33 pm »
*Sob*
I just wanted to join in...

EDIT: Also... Anything!
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Re: Learning Programming
« Reply #43 on: June 14, 2011, 04:44:34 pm »
Quote from: Max White on June 14, 2011, 04:31:33 pm
*Sob*
I just wanted to join in...

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Ha, I laughed at "IM IN YR LOOP UPPIN YR VAR TIL BOTH SAEM VAR AN 10"
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Re: Learning Programming
« Reply #44 on: June 14, 2011, 04:48:56 pm »
LOLCODE: Best programmers joke since 'Freinds can access each others private attributes'
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