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How Many Aspergers Do We Have On This Ship?

YO!
- 48 (19%)
I suspect I am, but am not diagnosed as such.
- 32 (12.6%)
NO!
- 164 (64.8%)
I've been diagnosed as such, but suspect I am not.
- 9 (3.6%)

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Re: Asperger's: A Poll.
« Reply #75 on: June 10, 2011, 09:35:05 pm »

I'm also of the opinion it seems somewhat unexpected there are so many positive respondants to the poll. Maybe people with Aspergers are also drawn to life advice forums where they discuss overcoming/coping/living with/suffering* their condition.

* Take your pick. Some people are nitpicky about how you address live with a disease. Personally? I kick epilepsy's ass+.

+ Although those really fucking brutal ones that leave me unable to get out of bed for five hours kind of kick my ass mostly^.

^ I felt since everyone else was discussing their mental health I should join in for Kameraderie-.

- German, like footnotes, is boss.
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« Reply #76 on: June 10, 2011, 09:41:28 pm »

Oh, feel free! If there is more you want to share on the subject, I'm interested, but as always, no pressure. You are the OP, so you sort of set the topic, hard for you to count as a derail.

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« Reply #77 on: June 10, 2011, 09:55:30 pm »

No, it doesn't.

I don't have the energy or inclination right now to get in a big clusterfucking link dump, because I basically assembled a 10-page packet on this for my rhetoric course.  But look up autistic people's reviews of the book, and then do a close reading on the reviews on Amazon, and see how you feel about it.  Oh, and feel free to read about Haddon's own comments on the book!

There's also a very important essay, Said's Orientalism, which might help you to understand some of my rancor.

Yep, I'll agree with you on this. I'm quite biased since I really liked it, and my lecturer did say that, too. It is a pity there's not a whole lot of widely known texts with leading autistic characters -- I mean the only other one that comes to mind is Rain Man, and the autistic character in that movie was even more quirky and exaggerated than Haddon's protagonist. (Obsession with moving hotel furniture around comes to mind.) Autism would be better served if people didn't so readily associate with it savant-like abilities and assume that every autistic person is brilliant at math/art/insert socially desirable ability here in exchange for a total lack of social graces.

Hopefully I've repudiated my original position enough. Barely a shitstorm here ehehehehe. :P You'll have to clue me in a bit on the link between Orientalism and A Curious Incident, as it's been a while since I glanced at post-colonial theory. Good discussion. :)
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« Reply #78 on: June 10, 2011, 10:06:45 pm »

I talk about it here mostly because I figure I might as well be free and open about my life while I'm on the internet, which makes my life offline much, much easier to cope with.

Most of the time, it doesn't really bother me... I mean, it bothers me, but I just kind of shrug it off, say "okay, whatever," and move on.  Probably the worst thing is an inability to deal with change through normal channels.  I get all antsy, sensory things start bothering me, I get urges to act up in order to create order in my life, a semblance of control...

I can't really explain what's so unbearable about it.  Rationally, I know that everything that sets me off makes no sense.  But sometimes, I can just feel a layer of knowledge far beyond what I have, communication I can't tap into, and that starts to hurt... I can tell that it's just so easy, if I could only get to it.  I know that there's no reason why touching certain surfaces makes me flinch or moan, because no one else does.  I know it's completely illogical.

But I do it anyway, because to not act is to double the sensation.


I sure as heck don't kick this syndrome's ass.  It often wipes the floor with me.  But I make little gains on it, day by day, which allow me to retain a little bit of self-respect for myself, which I can remind myself of after yet another embarrassment.



It is a pity there's not a whole lot of widely known texts with leading autistic characters

Well, you could try:

Born on a Blue Day
Adam
Mozart and the Whale
etc., etc.

Of course, only the first one was actually written by an autistic person, soooo....


You'll have to clue me in a bit on the link between Orientalism and A Curious Incident, as it's been a while since I glanced at post-colonial theory. Good discussion. :)

Sure thing!  I'm glad to talk about it (briefly).

The link is that people without mental health diagnoses are in a position of power over those who do have them, which puts them in a prime position to commit acts of Orientalism.  Curious Incident is one such act, whether inadvertently or not; indeed, the creator states on his website that he did not consult any autistic people, nor do any research, before writing his novel.  "Imagination always trumps research," he says.  He further states that he wishes he hadn't mentioned the word "autism" on the cover so that he'd stop being contacted by advocacy groups.

So we have someone with very little knowledge of autism, writing about What It's Like To Be Autistic.  The jacket of the book has all sorts of things about how intelligent and clever the writing is, and how Everyone will rejoice in it.  Amazon reviews say it's a marvel that the main character still comes off lovable despite his quirks--and that even though Christopher doesn't understand the situation he is in, We, the Reader, Can Read Between The Lines.

I seem to remember having a good deal of trouble with that the first time I read the book, in late high school.

There is all this writing from the position of mental health, about people who do not share that health, telling us how we should think and how we should feel, and not actually paying any attention to us (the purported subject of the novel) at all.

It creates a vision of us in the public mind which we cannot escape, because this is "how we are supposed to be."  We are controlled by it, informed by it, shaped by it, so that if one wants to receive help, one must fit the bill presented by Haddon--an image created by a man who knows nothing of what he discusses.

I mean, hell... for a book about autistic people, why make the cover (unbearable) bright orange?  Why put all the writing on the front cover in lower case?  What does that say about the content?  What does that say about attention to a possible audience, the subject of the book, that would find looking at this cover totally unbearable?

I had a friend who grew nauseated upon seeing a similar shade of bright pink.  It just seems like no one is even thinking about the subject in the work, assuming that we cannot read, or that we would not want to.  It's sad.
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Re: Asperger's: A Poll.
« Reply #79 on: June 10, 2011, 11:28:37 pm »

Well, you could try:

Born on a Blue Day
Adam
Mozart and the Whale
etc., etc.

Of course, only the first one was actually written by an autistic person, soooo....

But not a curious case of a dog in the nighttime, I've heard many bad things about it in addition to my own review: It sucked.
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Re: Asperger's: A Poll.
« Reply #80 on: June 10, 2011, 11:36:52 pm »

I'm somewhat morbidly curious as to the Vector-rage/amusement should you ever watch the Thai film "Chocolate", Vector. Also, huggles to all.
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« Reply #81 on: June 10, 2011, 11:37:41 pm »

Aspergers has a terrible public image. People expect us to fit their idea of what it is, whatever that idea may be. Like, I tried to explain Aspergers for a class and one kid in the back just sort of interrupted to say "So bro you be Rainman up in this?". It's really weird, but it is hard to explain. Like, they have similar expectations that, for example, kids on the football team are 'chick magnets'. If one of the kids isn't, they are still able to mentally file him as a football player, but as an exception to the chick magnet association. But when it comes to myself and the few other kids with Aspergers, they aren't able to make those exceptions to how we are sorted, and so we end up on the 'normal' side or the 'bad' side. If you end up on the normal side, all Aspergers related flaws are glossed over entirely, but if you are on the bad side then they get scrutinized and picked on. #Generalinfo.
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« Reply #82 on: June 10, 2011, 11:51:40 pm »

I find that autism appears to bring about more social stigma than aspergers. Down syndrome in particular I remember watching enjoyed open public ridicule in schools.

Bipolar disorder is kind of funny, because when I calmly comment on having the disorder, the person's reaction is either one of disbelief or of "that's too bad" and slowly backing away physically/mentally. I don't have violently manic phases at all like some others with it, but rather it's rapidcycling over-arching emotions that bleed over from my surroundings and covers the span of the human experience.

I used to teach/coach/babysit for 'special needs' and dealt with friends with assorted quirks even before I was formally diagnosed. I take a particular interest in such things even though my visible attitude is quite shit.

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« Reply #83 on: June 11, 2011, 12:01:32 am »

I find that autism appears to bring about more social stigma than aspergers. Down syndrome in particular I remember watching enjoyed open public ridicule in schools.

Yes, definitely, though it should be noted that Down's is very different from the autistic range.

I'd say there's certainly stigma for both AS and standard autism, but focused in different places, and have rather different degrees of severity.  Also of note is that AS and high-functioning autism have identical severity spreads.

But, on the other hand, I've read that some folks who started off with standard autism but did learn how to speak are pissed off at those with AS for not having a real disorder, desensitising people to the severity of "real" autism, and would like it to be reclassified as a narcissistic personality disorder  ::)

So, uh... just keep that in mind, I guess.
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« Reply #84 on: June 11, 2011, 12:06:36 am »

and would like it to be reclassified as a narcissistic

Makes me wonder what will be next. I hope we go back to narcissism, now there is a issues I can relate to.

Seems that all people, even those with a serious disability, care so deeply about me they will redefine something like aspergers, just to make my day. So good to hear that the entire world loves me, and sees me as the ultimate being that I am.

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« Reply #85 on: June 11, 2011, 08:07:37 am »

An interesting note: my brother absolutely can't stand to be around people with his same level or higher or social ineptitude, usually by way of Aspergers or Autism. I mean sheesh.
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« Reply #86 on: June 11, 2011, 09:09:06 am »

An interesting note: my brother absolutely can't stand to be around people with his same level or higher or social ineptitude, usually by way of Aspergers or Autism. I mean sheesh.

I dunno about him, but it annoys me, too >_>  I get annoyed by people with normal social skills, because I can't "see their mind"--by which I mean there's a huge number of social processes covering any streaks of individualism.  And then I get annoyed by people with terribad social skills, because I'm tired of being lumped in with them, and having poor social skills does mean something.

I mean, you'd think: "Hey, AS!  Date a dude with AS and everything will be perfect!" but that's just another round of allowing character traits to take over the entire person.

Oh, and the other thing: if you have obsessive interests, running headlong into someone else's obsessive interests is not entertaining.  It's just an exercise in extreme frustration.
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« Reply #87 on: June 11, 2011, 11:14:09 am »

I laughed. If someone laughs at another person's joke, does that make it funny?
Bah, I'm too tired for this.  Can we agree to not fight about it for now?

It was a genuine question. :p
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« Reply #88 on: June 11, 2011, 12:03:50 pm »

It was a genuine question. :p

It makes it funny for one individual, but for a statement to be declared generally funny by humans at large, a majority of individuals must find it risible.  Or so I believe, anyway, based on the limitations of language and the fact that I do not know the tipping point for these definitions (in terms of majority).
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« Reply #89 on: June 11, 2011, 01:04:56 pm »

An interesting note: my brother absolutely can't stand to be around people with his same level or higher or social ineptitude, usually by way of Aspergers or Autism. I mean sheesh.

I dunno about him, but it annoys me, too >_>  I get annoyed by people with normal social skills, because I can't "see their mind"--by which I mean there's a huge number of social processes covering any streaks of individualism.  And then I get annoyed by people with terribad social skills, because I'm tired of being lumped in with them, and having poor social skills does mean something.

I mean, you'd think: "Hey, AS!  Date a dude with AS and everything will be perfect!" but that's just another round of allowing character traits to take over the entire person.

Oh, and the other thing: if you have obsessive interests, running headlong into someone else's obsessive interests is not entertaining.  It's just an exercise in extreme frustration.

Oh my god yes yes yes to that first paragraph. It is so extremely difficult to tell what someones emotivations are (emotion + motivation). Like, when someone tells me something that is objectively bad news, it is extremely confusing. I can't tell if they are happy or sad at it, and how I'm supposed to respond based on why they are telling me. I usually just give an awkward 'oh' and try to change gears or kill the conversation.
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