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[Askot Bokbondeler]

in marvel and dc comics, old female characters are often portrayed very fit, with small waists and perfectly toned buts, but with grey\white hair and just enough wrinkles to get the message that they're old across. they're sexualized to the neutral point, which in comics is significantly higher than irl

[Glowcat]

I don't really know that I can get behind the whole "Sexy clothes = Fanservice" idea unless it's particular egregious (such as one-shot sexy outfits definitely intended to provide sexual appeal to an established female character). Not that the ubiquity of sexy-oriented heroines in Superhero fiction isn't a problem, mostly because it's at the detriment of a full heroine array and makes female heroes there primarily for the benefit of male viewers, but it doesn't strike me as sufficiently gratuitous as... Well most anime honestly. Even a few of the better ones have awkward shots only meant to show off a female character's sexual attributes. The worst are those like Demon King Daimao. Female-oriented fanservice in anime seems mostly to be yaoi moments.

And Superman fanservice would be Kent running into the nearest phone booth and coming out wearing nothing but a leopard skin thong doing a chippendales dance, or random shots of his buttocks while he's fighting Lex Luthor. Though such a change might actually make Superman a more interesting character...

[Ogdibus]

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[Neonivek]

in marvel and dc comics, old female characters are often portrayed very fit, with small waists and perfectly toned buts, but with grey\white hair and just enough wrinkles to get the message that they're old across. they're sexualized to the neutral point, which in comics is significantly higher than irl

Honestly I'd almost take that over their genuinly old characters. I don't know what it is about old characters that makes artists draw them in similar ways they would monsters.

[Leatra]

Reading about the discussion about fan service here always reminds me why I didn't play Red Alert 3.

Anyway, in my opinion, these fan services west animators and comic drawers are pulling out doesn't seem out of place like animes. Yeah, superheroines are hot and stuff. But at least their boobs don't jiggle when walking/flying, or their clothing doesn't get ripped to shreds, they don't lick lollipops and eat bananas. Someone will probably pull the "u don't get it cuz ur brainwashed by american media" card to my comment or show examples in western media (like the femme fatales in noire films) but that's how I feel. It just feels out of place.

However, you don't trash your entire fridge because there is a rotten piece of food in it. There are good animes and bad animes just like how there are good western animations/comics and bad ones. It seems if anime is doing it, it's doing it in a really weird way.

[Reelya]

The "adult" element in American non-kids cartoons is different, but not necessarily superior.

There was a scene in Family Guy where Stewey tricked Brian into eating a diaper full of his feces. This made me physically ill in a way that no anime has.

American scatological humor is on a whole other level.

[Neonivek]

Uhhhh... Stewey didn't trick Brian.

[Reelya]

He definitely did. The bank vault scene. He even had a laugh about it afterwards.

[Neonivek]

He definitely did. The bank vault scene. He even had a laugh about it afterwards.

To my knowledge it wasn't a trick... Stewey just laughed because he found it funny.

[Leafsnail]

The cartoons you watch are worse than the cartoons I watch.

[Reelya]

He definitely did. The bank vault scene. He even had a laugh about it afterwards.

To my knowledge it wasn't a trick... Stewey just laughed because he found it funny.

Stewey said that it was absolutely necessary at first, then after Brian did so, said that it was not actually necessary at all but "I just wanted to see how low you would go".

[Ogdibus]

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[Vattic]

"Out of place" is contextual.   The way that you feel makes sense, if you live in a western culture.  It wouldn't be fair to single you out to be shamed for that.  Part of the cause for the feeling is probably the higher degree of Patriarchal influence on Japanese culture vs. American, and many western cultures.  You get presented with examples of sexism that are extreme when compared to what you are used to.

I'd imagine there are even Japanese fans that recognise some anime is particularly heavy handed with sexual fanservice. Using GitS as an example the films have plenty of flesh on show but it isn't at all jarring as compared to the series with it's crotch shots and other camera work. Then again I find the obligatory tits scene in a lot of Western action films pretty jarring.

[Neonivek]

It has gotten to an extent that I am starting to think a lot of the fanservice in anime is in fact done for laughs and isn't meant to be taken seriously.

[Reelya]

The Agent Aika DVDs would be the classic example of this. One reviewer counted 140+ panty-shots in every episode, every fight ends in panning shots of PILES of unconscious miniskirted girls with their butts pointing in the air. Rather than "service" the whole thing is a running gag.

Mind you, it has a suprisingly coherent "james bond" style plot (with a female lead though) and doesn't use the cliched harem-style comedy routines (pretty much makes it's own tropes up)

Bu hell, America has Stan Lee's "Striperella".