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[Levi]

One Piece entertains me in much the same way(and yes I know one piece has a lot of bad things about it too, but for me the good still outweighs the bad).

I can't really quite watch One Piece without being bothered by the anime silliness. Who knows, maybe one day I will- I can see some of what's appealing in there. But I still can't manage to sit down and really watch it.

I completely understand when people don't like One Piece.     Its got a lot (most?) of the problems I've listed above.  Its humor really appeals to me, and its characters tend to feel unique to me compared to other shows.  It does a good job of giving a general sense of adventure as well, which I like.

Also it features the largest hands and feet I've ever seen in an anime.  Their hands and feet are all HUGE.   

Isn't, uh. Isn't the fanservice thing kinda' an ubiquitous thing across cultural borders and media formats?

Nah.  I never saw Buffy the vampire slayer in a bikini.     Anime is by far way worse than any other format I've seen.  Except for I guess pornography, but that is the point of pornography so it gets a free pass. 

[scriver]

So um, I think here is a semi-complete list of things that I don't like in anime(and hell, any other fiction I guess):
1)  Repeating gags/tropes that are in a million other anime shows. 
2)  Characters that don't feel real or don't have their own personality.
3)  The need to over-explain everything needlessly and out loud (Claymore drove me insane with this)
4)  Content that is designed to appeal to horny, socially inept 14 year old japanese kids.  (And seriously, some of it is pretty sick)
5)  Characters making dumb or out of character decisions just to increase the drama of a show.
6)  Pointless filler  (One piece has a lot of this, and a lot of the newer anime's seem to have this as well)

This is actually a list of why and how American media sucks.

Isn't, uh. Isn't the fanservice thing kinda' an ubiquitous thing across cultural borders and media formats?

Nah.  I never saw Buffy the vampire slayer in a bikini.     Anime is by far way worse than any other format I've seen.  Except for I guess pornography, but that is the point of pornography so it gets a free pass. 

Surely you are not saying Buffy is every American show there is and not just one exception.

[Frumple]

Nah.  I never saw Buffy the vampire slayer in a bikini.     Anime is by far way worse than any other format I've seen.  Except for I guess pornography, but that is the point of pornography so it gets a free pass.

To which I'd counter Baywatch and any of the copious amount of daytime drama crap (which I don't, personally, watch, but unfortunately have to walk past regularly ), and then probably lay out any of the pleasant anime stuff that didn't indulge in beach episodes

Point being it's pretty universal in both realms, really. Maybe there's like, a 49/51 split or whatev'. But fanservice is fanservice and it's bloody everywhere.

[Korbac]

Nah.  I never saw Buffy the vampire slayer in a bikini.     Anime is by far way worse than any other format I've seen.  Except for I guess pornography, but that is the point of pornography so it gets a free pass.

To which I'd counter Baywatch and any of the copious amount of daytime drama crap (which I don't, personally, watch, but unfortunately have to walk past regularly ), and then probably lay out any of the pleasant anime stuff that didn't indulge in beach episodes

Point being it's pretty universal in both realms, really. Maybe there's like, a 49/51 split or whatev'. But fanservice is fanservice and it's bloody everywhere.

What are you on about? Baywatch has deep and intricate plotlines.

[Sensei]

I'm going to say that anime and video games are particularly bad on the "fanservice where it really shouldn't be" front. I think anime tends to actually, ehem, show more, but the ethos is very much the same; just anime is allowed to get away with a bit more. Anyway just the presence of fanservice BECAUSE TITTIES in spite of the thematics of a show, or game, is what really bugs me.

Or in other words, I'd like to eat my violence with my violence fork and my sex with my sex fork. If you use one fork for both it simply ruins the flavor, don't you know anything about proper dining etiquette?

E: Grammar

[Flying Dice]

Yeah, it's less that there is fanservice, and more that it is tends to crop up where it really shouldn't. Fanservice isn't bad; fanservice that is massively out of place is.

Take, for example, the transformations in the first season of MGLN. Completely unnecessary, and pretty squicky to boot. Or for an example of it being so pervasive that it's essentially porn-with-plot if you replaced 'porn' with 'unrealistic breast physics, unrealistic outfits, and a constant stream of innuendo-laden scenes', you can look at Zero no Tsukaima, particularly in the later seasons. Not that that was the only reason to hate that series.

[varnish]

Fanservice is pretty inescapable in any art form, really. Renaissance paintings? So much nudity. Ancient pottery? Genitalia all over the dang place. Can't get away from it.

I honestly used to say that I hated anime, but i realized over time that it's foolish to dismiss an entire medium on the basis of a few examples. I didn't actually hate anime, I just didn't like what I had been exposed to. I still have yet to find more than one or two shows that I genuinely like, but that's how I feel about a lot of things.

[scriver]

I'm going to say that anime and video games are particularly bad on the "fanservice where it really shouldn't be" front. I think anime tends to actually, ehem, show more, but the ethos is very much the same; just anime is allowed to get away with a bit more. Anyway just the presence of fanservice BECAUSE TITTIES in spite of the thematics of a show, or game, is what really bugs me.

Or in other words, I'd like to eat my violence with my violence fork and my sex with my sex fork. If you use one fork for both it simply ruins the flavor, don't you know anything about proper dining etiquette?

E: Grammar

That show about that spy who's stuck in Miami, "Burned" or something; graticious boob and ass shots of sexy bikini girls in every setting-of-scene and as many other scenes they can put them in.

[TheBronzePickle]

Burn Notice. Yeah, lots of showcasing what's on the developers minds. "We're in Miami, might as well film some beach babes. Wait, what's the show about?"

At least it doesn't pervade the storyline like it does some shows.

[Leafsnail]

Fanservice is pretty inescapable in any art form, really. Renaissance paintings? So much nudity. Ancient pottery? Genitalia all over the dang place. Can't get away from it.

I don't think you can compare studies of the human form to fanservice to be honest

[Levi]

Nah.  I never saw Buffy the vampire slayer in a bikini.     Anime is by far way worse than any other format I've seen.  Except for I guess pornography, but that is the point of pornography so it gets a free pass.

To which I'd counter Baywatch and any of the copious amount of daytime drama crap (which I don't, personally, watch, but unfortunately have to walk past regularly ), and then probably lay out any of the pleasant anime stuff that didn't indulge in beach episodes

Point being it's pretty universal in both realms, really. Maybe there's like, a 49/51 split or whatev'. But fanservice is fanservice and it's bloody everywhere.

Okay, to be fair I don't watch a ton of TV, so I could be wrong about american fan service.  Maybe its just because I watch a lot of anime that it annoys me more.

[Seriyu]

I think the thing is it's a lot more evenly spread across anime then most american stuff, like yeah, baywatch has it, and a lot of it, but I'd say there are a lot of shows that don't have any of it either.

Meanwhile if you have an even vaguely popular animated show in japan you've (at least usually) gotta have an episode specifically dedicated to putting everyone in swimsuits. Some get away without it (Like cowboy bebop I think, natch), but by and large it just happens.

[varnish]

Fanservice is pretty inescapable in any art form, really. Renaissance paintings? So much nudity. Ancient pottery? Genitalia all over the dang place. Can't get away from it.

I don't think you can compare studies of the human form to fanservice to be honest

I think there can be some comparison. They weren't just studies of the human form, they were often studies of the "ideal" human form, and were meant to depict what was attractive.

I was kind of kidding with my examples, but there is some intersection between art and this kind of thing. (I was going to say pornography, but that's not quite the right word.) We have dug up deliberately obscene pottery, and erotic paintings are nothing new.

[Frumple]

Meanwhile if you have an even vaguely popular animated show in japan you've (at least usually) gotta have an episode specifically dedicated to putting everyone in swimsuits. Some get away without it (Like cowboy bebop I think, natch), but by and large it just happens.

Bebop definitely doesn't. Faye gets skimpy at least once, iirc, and that's ignoring her normal getup. Bebop's pretty comfortably representative on the fanservice front

I actually can't recall any manga or anime off the top of my head that's not aimed at younger audiences that doesn't indulge in fanservice at least a little, but that has a lot more to do with my tastes in the medium (I avoid serious stuff like the plague and pretty much specifically seek out light-hearted and/or fanservice-y stuff, heh.) than anything else. I know I've read/seen multiple of them, I just can't recall any, heh.

At the same time, though, I can't recall any western media that doesn't indulge based on the same rubric. Different manifestations, perhaps, but western media is sexualized all to hell. Anime stuff may be a little more blunt on the overt skin thing, I'unno, but from what I understand the culture outside the states, at least, is a bit more casual about that stuff.

[Neonivek]

I will say however that Anime will intersect Fanservice EXTREMELY inappropriately.

Some of the most inappropriate fanservice moments was in animes for kids.

The second last fight in Marchen Awakens Romance is practically pornographic.

Dog Days? Yeah apperantly the magic involved makes little girls suddenly lose all their clothes and become naked.

I mean... Western has had some overt fanservice in kids shows but Anime looks at that and goes "Please, we put fanservice like that in Anime Barney"