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[Furtuka]

Of note, G Gundam had too much silly anime-ness and super powers for me to stand. And there was a horse gundam, I liked how the older ones at least tried to pretend that their giant plastic robots were practical tools of war and not vessels for angst-driven superpowers or something.

Fixed. G Gundam is kinda the odd one out of the entire franchise. Wing was the one with the...   actually I haven't watched Wing enough to describe it but I do know that it's not the one you're talking about

[Flying Dice]

What, like, ann-ih-mays? Seems true to the original french.

To rhyme it would have to be an-aims or something.  Pretty sure it's just shortened English anyway.

I'm pretty sure it's like I described it. It doesn't rhyme, but it's got the right numbers of syllables to work out.

That doesn't necessarily follow. See: Versailles.

In French, something like ver-sai. In Kentucky English? Closer to ver-sey-ahls. Syllable count can vary depending on accents, language, etc.

Either he hasn't or he's doing a very good job at trolling me. I don't know any more. Do I need to use sarcasm tags whenever I draw an analogy to point out an obviously flawed argument?

The problem is that I have experienced far too many people who basically use the exact same arguement you have... except 100% serious.

Add in my usual inability to see obvious sarcasm and boom.

What about context? What about my past comments? D:

I watched Code MENT, and then proceeded to watch all of Code Geass. A brilliantly deep, depressing story about friendship and acceptable losses blah blah it's good.

Then watched Infinite MENT, and went into watching Infinite Stratos with high expectations. (That part was mostly my fault.)

HAHAHAHAHA. Did you enjoy your ~13 episodes of constant fanservice?

[Korbac]

I watched Code MENT, and then proceeded to watch all of Code Geass. A brilliantly deep, depressing story about friendship and acceptable losses blah blah it's good.

Then watched Infinite MENT, and went into watching Infinite Stratos with high expectations. (That part was mostly my fault.)

HAHAHAHAHA. Did you enjoy your ~13 episodes of constant fanservice?

I skipped through all that (honest! ) and also skipped through the robots fighting as that's kind of old hat to me by now.

What I did watch was about 2 - 5 minutes of each episode where Ichikga misunderstands social situations. That alone was quite funny. XD

[Reelya]

...It seems you like you can't have an anime about young romance without everyone being super demon witch kawaii catgirls or something...

Well it might "seem" that way if you never saw many animes except shonen ones aired on TV in America.

i can list dozens of anime with realistic romance and no magic or action, and it's not even my main genre, it's called the "Shoujo" genre. Again, those "super demon witch kawaii catgirls" are a staple of SHONEN anime. Shonen means "little boy" e.g. kids shows.

there are an uncountable number of realistic slice of life and shoujo animes, which almost never get played in the USA.

Try "kimi ni todoke" which is Japan's top selling romance manga, or "toradora", or one of the 14000-odd other shoujo mangas.

[Levi]

Gurren Lagann rates high for me too.  It was completely ridiculous, but it was completely ridiculous in its own very unique way.  Most of the gags caught me completely by surprise(unexpected humor is the best humor) and it was a delight to watch.  One Piece entertains me in much the same way(and yes I know one piece has a lot of bad things about it too, but for me the good still outweighs the bad).

Cowboy Be-bop is great because each of the characters actually have their own personality.  Most anime characters just seem like clones of other anime characters which tends to bore me to tears. 

So um, I think here is a semi-complete list of things that I don't like in anime(and hell, any other fiction I guess):
1)  Repeating gags/tropes that are in a million other anime shows. 
2)  Characters that don't feel real or don't have their own personality.
3)  The need to over-explain everything needlessly and out loud (Claymore drove me insane with this)
4)  Content that is designed to appeal to horny, socially inept 14 year old japanese kids.  (And seriously, some of it is pretty sick)
5)  Characters making dumb or out of character decisions just to increase the drama of a show.
6)  Pointless filler  (One piece has a lot of this, and a lot of the newer anime's seem to have this as well)

Anime's get bonus points from me for:
1)  Making me laugh unexpectedly.
2)  Fleshed out and interesting characters and motivations.
3)  An unique and cohesive story.
4)  Not being filled to the brim with fan service

[Sensei]

Of note, G Gundam had too much silly anime-ness and super powers for me to stand. And there was a horse gundam, I liked how the older ones at least tried to pretend that their giant plastic robots were practical tools of war and not vessels for angst-driven superpowers or something.

Fixed. G Gundam is kinda the odd one out of the entire franchise. Wing was the one with the...   actually I haven't watched Wing enough to describe it but I do know that it's not the one you're talking about

I'm afraid my understanding of gundam is pretty poor outside of 0079. I didn't even watch all of Z, I just didn't like it as much and felt that it lacked a lot of the subtly and the bad-guys-are-just-soldiers motif that was in the original. Granted I only got a few episodes in and I'm told it Gets Better by people who are usually right about that sort of thing. But anyway I digress- was G the one where they danced around in rubber suits doing kung-fu inside their mechs? Because that's what I saw and I didn't like it. They also did a lot of weird glowy shit that evidently had power levels and nothing to do with a battle of wits at the helm of armed mechs, and all that. And what was the one guy whose robot had to ride a robot horse? Master Asia or something bizarre like that? And the stupid clothes too, I could go on...

That doesn't necessarily follow. See: Versailles.

In French, something like ver-sai. In Kentucky English? Closer to ver-sey-ahls. Syllable count can vary depending on accents, language, etc.

AH, mais il faut etre en l'originale francais! Excuse me for the lack of accents on my keyboard of course. But anyway, there's some words that can be pronounced correctly in different ways depending on the region you're in, and there's some that really just have one correct pronunciation. Anime is pronounced all french-like, and versailles, and to my immediate knowledge nothing with two consecutive L's for that matter, does not rhyme with sails. If you're in Kentucky and you say that, you're still just butchering it.

[Flying Dice]

Butchering language is the single largest occupation in the South.



Levi: To be honest, those read like lists of things that are bad and good about fictional works in general. As in, you'll find the bad points in bad works regardless of the medium or country of origin, and vice-verse for the good points. The only thing that is really anime-specific is the filler issue, and that often has more to do with the bad habits of production companies than anything else. The equivalent would be if, say, the Harry Potter films had started being released at the same time as the second book, and the writers for the films wrote up scripts for fifteen more films of non-canon material because they overran the pace at which Rowling was writing the books.

If I had to pinpoint a single issue that worsens a whole lot of otherwise good series, it'd be the unnecessary and out-of-place fanservice.



Incidentally, a great read? Golgo 13. Otherwise known as Japanese mercenary James Bond.

[ToonyMan]

I wathced clanad 'cause a friend told me it wold make me crys xD and so i went on youtube and wathced each episode infifty shades and i couldn't help but took out my katana baka, then libya my my light pony

[Flying Dice]

I wathced clanad 'cause a friend told me it wold make me crys xD and so i went on youtube and wathced each episode infifty shades and i couldn't help but took out my katana baka, then libya my my light pony

I love you, Toony. xD

[Reelya]

I watched Code MENT, and then proceeded to watch all of Code Geass. A brilliantly deep, depressing story about friendship and acceptable losses blah blah it's good.

Then watched Infinite MENT, and went into watching Infinite Stratos with high expectations. (That part was mostly my fault.)

...

O_O

...

My god...

Infinite Stratos was a pile of crap, I recommend a review site called "THEM anime reviews" because they don't pull their punches and they label crap, as crap.

[Korbac]

I watched Code MENT, and then proceeded to watch all of Code Geass. A brilliantly deep, depressing story about friendship and acceptable losses blah blah it's good.

Then watched Infinite MENT, and went into watching Infinite Stratos with high expectations. (That part was mostly my fault.)

...

O_O

...

My god...

Infinite Stratos was a pile of crap, I recommend a review site called "THEM anime reviews" because they don't pull their punches and they label crap, as crap.

I'd say about 20% of it was quite funny. The rest was shit.

[Sensei]

...It seems you like you can't have an anime about young romance without everyone being super demon witch kawaii catgirls or something. I know there's robust counterexamples but it still covers a lot of anime and manga that is 'visible' in the public consciousness, doubly so to someone not already in the genre.

this is really, completely untrue, i can list dozens of anime with realistic romance and no magic or action, and it's not even my main genre, it's called the "Shoujo" genre. Again, those "super demon witch kawaii catgirls" are a staple of SHONEN anime. Shonen means "little boy" e.g. kids shows.

Try "kimi ni todoke" which is Japan's top selling romance manga, or "toradora".

Fixed that for you, please read my full posts (or at least the paragraph) before replying (not that I've never made the same mistake before). I was giving it as an example that angsty super powers are tacked on where they seriously don't need to be, and there are indeed series like I described. It's not the shoujo that I have an issue with. That said I don't really read/watch it, because romance stories aren't really my thing. But I certainly don't complain about them. I even mentioned, it's the shonen elements that really bother me.

One Piece entertains me in much the same way(and yes I know one piece has a lot of bad things about it too, but for me the good still outweighs the bad).

I can't really quite watch One Piece without being bothered by the anime silliness. Who knows, maybe one day I will- I can see some of what's appealing in there. But I still can't manage to sit down and really watch it.

5)  Characters making dumb or out of character decisions just to increase the drama of a show.

I'll say, I rather feel like this isn't an anime thing at all. There's a good amount of low-budget, or even high-budget, poorly written anime. But it definitely doesn't get me thinking, "Man, I can't stand this anime crap!" I don't think it's more prevalent in anime than anywhere else.

6)  Pointless filler  (One piece has a lot of this, and a lot of the newer anime's seem to have this as well)

This is true, it seems to be a problem anime series are prone to above other genres. Especially things like Dragonball, where fights go on and on with no resolution or development (but lots of POWER LEVELS WAARGH!!!!11!)

4)  Not being filled to the brim with fan service

Aw man, this very much. Anime is way to full of absurd fan service., in my opinion. It also seems to be an odd staple whether or not it makes sense; there's some series where that sort of thing isn't nearly as intrusive (ba-dum tish) because it doesn't clash with the mood. It's also very present with video games too, incidentally, and while it doesn't usually put me off of something it'll ruin the mood. In both videogames, and anime, you seem to get an effect of "Look at this: guns, missiles, airplanes, lasers, cars, swords, muscles, blood, badassery, good and evil, and TITTIES!" It kind of ruins immersion to a point, actually. On an even more tangential note this is especially true where armor is concerned. But it's just the norm, which sucks.

A conversation I had once:
Me: Hey, you should try this game.
A friend: What's it about?
Me: It's kind of a medieval combat game. Swordfights and cavalry and the like. It's pretty realistic.
A friend: How realistic?
Me: (Shows the cover) Look at how much cleavage you're not seeing.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

A friend: Oh shit, that must be hard core.

[Furtuka]

Of note, G Gundam had too much silly anime-ness and super powers for me to stand. And there was a horse gundam, I liked how the older ones at least tried to pretend that their giant plastic robots were practical tools of war and not vessels for angst-driven superpowers or something.

Fixed. G Gundam is kinda the odd one out of the entire franchise. Wing was the one with the...   actually I haven't watched Wing enough to describe it but I do know that it's not the one you're talking about

I'm afraid my understanding of gundam is pretty poor outside of 0079. I didn't even watch all of Z, I just didn't like it as much and felt that it lacked a lot of the subtly and the bad-guys-are-just-soldiers motif that was in the original. Granted I only got a few episodes in and I'm told it Gets Better by people who are usually right about that sort of thing. But anyway I digress- was G the one where they danced around in rubber suits doing kung-fu inside their mechs? Because that's what I saw and I didn't like it. They also did a lot of weird glowy shit that evidently had power levels and nothing to do with a battle of wits at the helm of armed mechs, and all that. And what was the one guy whose robot had to ride a robot horse? Master Asia or something bizarre like that? And the stupid clothes too, I could go on...

Yeah it's only G Gundam that's really like that. The rest of them are much more militaryey.

[Sonlirain]

The only anime i ever watched for real was Slayers
The polish TV version of Slayers (and many other anime/movies/series at the time) had amusing voice acting for a dub... NONE to be exact. There are no subtitles but a old sounding dude keeps talking in the background translating everything and with several characters talking(yelling) at eachother at any time + the translating dude... i wonder how it managed to not turn into a incomprehensible clusterfuck.
Have a look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyhS-J5Ji2Y
Then again it had the advantage of being a cheap method and retaining original (Japanese of course) voices.

I also remember following Ranma 1/2 on RTL (7 i think) but since it was german it was kinda hard to get what the hell was going on so i quit after an episode or two.

Then there was pokemon and dragon ball i used to watch before and after school but as far as i'm concerned everyone at my age watched it.
Pokemon was spared from the "old guy interpreter" treatment but DB got hit double since it was the french translation with that guy on top.

[Frumple]

Isn't, uh. Isn't the fanservice thing kinda' an ubiquitous thing across cultural borders and media formats? It's in more than it's not, really, from what I've seen. Western, eastern, tiny pre-agrarian villages in the congo, whatever. I don't really find most of what I've seen in the anime realm to be more egregious than, well, TV in general. Or movies. Or western cartoons. Or books old and new, or ancient myths, or... well, the list goes on

Maybe folks are more inured to the fanservice in the media format they're more familiar with?