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Re: No, I don't like anime... leave me alone.
« Reply #195 on: November 19, 2012, 04:28:18 pm »

oh god why does this thread exist

I always assumed that this thread was about leaving people who say they don't like something alone.

But apperantly not. This thread was actually about illogical hatred of things based upon blanket statements and limited experience.
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Re: No, I don't like anime... leave me alone.
« Reply #196 on: November 19, 2012, 04:32:16 pm »

oh god why does this thread exist
Because everyone hates everything forever.

This thread was actually about illogical hatred of things based upon blanket statements and limited experience.
Exactly, now you're getting into the spirit of things!
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Re: No, I don't like anime... leave me alone.
« Reply #197 on: November 19, 2012, 04:36:08 pm »

Seriously I hate hamburgers, I've tried both McDonalds and Burger King and I've never liked a burger yet, they all suck.

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Re: No, I don't like anime... leave me alone.
« Reply #198 on: November 19, 2012, 04:39:29 pm »

oh god why does this thread exist

A long, long time ago, in June 2011, a forumer named Svarte Troner decided that he did not appreciate the style of animation generally known as "anime" (or the style of comics generally known as "manga") very much. He felt that this style was highly overrated, and felt isolated in not really getting what the big deal was. He wanted to make his dislike known, and perhaps find other people who shared it. So, he started a thread for it. The discussion may or may not have drifted since then, but that's the reason the thread is here.

I do not like the animes.
I do not like them, bay12games.
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Re: No, I don't like anime... leave me alone.
« Reply #199 on: November 19, 2012, 04:43:21 pm »

I do not like them in a chair.
I do not like them anywhere.
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Re: No, I don't like anime... leave me alone.
« Reply #200 on: November 19, 2012, 04:48:20 pm »

oh god why does this thread exist

I always assumed that this thread was about leaving people who say they don't like something alone.

But apperantly not. This thread was actually about illogical hatred of things based upon blanket statements and limited experience.

Neonivek, have you realised Flying Dice was being sarcastic yet?
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Re: No, I don't like anime... leave me alone.
« Reply #201 on: November 19, 2012, 04:51:01 pm »

I do not like the animes.
I do not like them, bay12games.
I know it's from a foreign language but this is the strangest pronounciation of "animes" I've ever seen.
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Re: No, I don't like anime... leave me alone.
« Reply #202 on: November 19, 2012, 06:16:04 pm »

oh god why does this thread exist

I always assumed that this thread was about leaving people who say they don't like something alone.

But apperantly not. This thread was actually about illogical hatred of things based upon blanket statements and limited experience.

Neonivek, have you realised Flying Dice was being sarcastic yet?

Either he hasn't or he's doing a very good job at trolling me. I don't know any more. Do I need to use sarcasm tags whenever I draw an analogy to point out an obviously flawed argument? Am I too good at making a case out of generalizations, stereotypes, and ignorance? Should I kill myself before I start summoning Godwin forth to do battle?


Anyhow. I think a good deal of the difference here has to do with the basic conception of what constitutes "anime". On one side, we have the stuff that gets imported and aired on the tele at a reasonable hour of the day, which is where a lot of the hatedom probably got their exposure. So we have DBZ, Naruto, Bleach, CardCaptor Sakura, and so on. Y'know. The stuff that (values dissonance aside) was primarily written for children. Not to say it is automatically bad, but that is where a lot of the cited tropes tend to be drawn from. On the other side of the equation, we have GitS, Macross, Golgo 13, Berserk, Rose of Versailles, and so forth.

It's not exactly difficult to see where the dissonance is if you're well-read/watched in the medium. Sort of like one person watching National Treasure and Batman & Robin (1997) before coming to the conclusion that all films are rubbish, which of course would seem absurd to someone who has watched Vertigo, The Shawshank Redemption, and so forth.
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Re: No, I don't like anime... leave me alone.
« Reply #203 on: November 19, 2012, 06:17:07 pm »

oh god why does this thread exist

I always assumed that this thread was about leaving people who say they don't like something alone.

But apperantly not. This thread was actually about illogical hatred of things based upon blanket statements and limited experience.

Neonivek, have you realised Flying Dice was being sarcastic yet?

Either he hasn't or he's doing a very good job at trolling me. I don't know any more. Do I need to use sarcasm tags whenever I draw an analogy to point out an obviously flawed argument? Am I too good at making a case out of generalizations, stereotypes, and ignorance? Should I kill myself before I start summoning Godwin forth to do battle?


Anyhow. I think a good deal of the difference here has to do with the basic conception of what constitutes "anime". On one side, we have the stuff that gets imported and aired on the tele at a reasonable hour of the day, which is where a lot of the hatedom probably got their exposure. So we have DBZ, Naruto, Bleach, CardCaptor Sakura, and so on. Y'know. The stuff that (values dissonance aside) was primarily written for children. Not to say it is automatically bad, but that is where a lot of the cited tropes tend to be drawn from. On the other side of the equation, we have GitS, Macross, Golgo 13, Berserk, Rose of Versailles, and so forth.

It's not exactly difficult to see where the dissonance is if you're well-read/watched in the medium. Sort of like one person watching National Treasure and Batman & Robin (1997) before coming to the conclusion that all films are rubbish, which of course would seem absurd to someone who has watched Vertigo, The Shawshank Redemption, and so forth.
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Re: No, I don't like anime... leave me alone.
« Reply #204 on: November 19, 2012, 06:22:08 pm »

I do not like the animes.
I do not like them, bay12games.
I know it's from a foreign language but this is the strangest pronounciation of "animes" I've ever seen.
What, like, ann-ih-mays? Seems true to the original french.

Anyway, howzabout hating anime?

Other than the tropes, a disproportionately large amount of anime that I've seen any significant amount of is filled with things that are just downright strange and offputting. ...
I really can't watch anime that doesn't try to be more or less "normal".  Something like Gundam Wing, for lack of a better example.  The wacky expressions and freaky supernatural stuff aren't getting in the way of watching it for me.
This. For me it tends to be more thematic than visual, I suppose. The biggest thing that puts me off is "people not old enough to drink have super powers and emotional issues", which I understand is called "Shonen". Can't stand Naruto, Bleach, Dragonball Z, or most shows where someone gets blasted twelve feet into the ground and doesn't die. It seems you like you can't have an anime about young romance without everyone being super demon witch kawaii catgirls or something. I know there's robust counterexamples but it still covers a lot of anime and manga that is 'visible' in the public consciousness, doubly so to someone not already in the genre. It also bugs me when the show centers around actual fights between characters, which seem to be governed by arbitrary "power levels", whether implied or overt. It's just tedious to watch the heroes beat people up until some fruity, flamboyant villain shows and says "YOU CANNOT BEAT ME I HAVE MORE POWER LEVELS". I like to think it's a korean MMORPG, the villain bought all his powers in the cash shop but the heroes have to grind experience points until they're powerful enough to beat him/her/it. Pretty much all the anime I've liked has avoided these tropes in some way or another.

Cowboy Bebop: First anime I actually liked. People fight with guns, there's cool space ships (I do love me some space ship porn), there's lots of chicanery between characters, and they're... humble, I guess. It's more interesting to watch characters who are trying to afford food and fuel than FIGHTING FOR THE ULTIMATE JUSTICE WITH MY COLORFUL GLOWING FISTS HWAAAHHHH! Also most people where clothes that could conceivably be practical. There's one girl in the main cast who doesn't but it actually fits her character, you don't get weird situations like "Why are all these pervy men staring at me? I just an innocent girl in a tiny thong on the tokyo sidewalk!" Another note: In this series, there are fights with normal, non-superpowered fisticuffs. This pleases me.

Gundam 0079: Has absurd giant toy robots, but other than that the character personalities seem more feasible than some anime. Nobody has super powers, except later in the series when they are actually reacting to super powers like "Oh my god, I have superpowers" and then the series has the common sense to end once that business is out in the open. Another series where fisticuffs occur. It seems to be an identifying factor for "Anime which has fighting and is still down-to-earth." Not much in the way of absurd fashion.
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Of note, Gundam Wing had too much silly anime-ness and super powers for me to stand. And there was a horse gundam, I liked how the older ones at least tried to pretend that their giant plastic robots were practical tools of war and not vessels for angst-driven superpowers or something. I also couldn't bring myself to get all the way through Macross, too much whiny school children crushing on eachother, ugh. Not going to write off Macross though; perhaps I just haven't gotten to the good part.

Geass: Similar story. Watching adult swim, Bleach is on, angsty teenagers are arguing about whose dragon penis is MORE POWERFUL and smashing rock formations with their perfectly smooth, glistening skin. And they have stupid hats. And they're so damn serious and angsty and blugh. Switch to adult swim HD because it's in eastern time, Geass is on. Men in suits are trying to hurt each other with knives. One of them gets stabbed and bleeds because he doesn't have any superpowers. Watched the rest of the episode and there was a plot too, go figure.

Gurren Lagann: Okay, this is kind of a 180. There's quite a decent bit of weird anime tropes at work here, but absolutely nothing is taken seriously. Well, aside from the stupid princess. But anyhow the characters seem to get along in their adventure and their fights by the sheer growing power of their chutzpah and that makes them interesting. I'm searching for better words to say about what separates this show from silly mecha shows with super powers, because it's silly, there's mecha, and they're plainly driven by some innate, teenager-emotion-driven super powers. I'm going to tack "self awareness" up as the reason and let someone else explain it more eloquently.

Pumpkin scissors: Like the mundane aesthetic here. There's character interactions, normal guns, people have problems like "not enough food". Villain appears to be a powerful mary sue but rarely makes an appearance. Superpowers are present, like gundam, but generally worthy of awe that they exist at all and not in a constant penis contest of power levels. Probably the most obscure of all the anime I've watched by a longshot. Side note: With all this penis rhetoric, I've convinced myself that Goku is compensating for something. Still will not make DBZ interesting enough to watch an entire episode.

Trigun: Some more super power crap and character absurdity and power levels are present in this one, but I still liked it. Would have been awful if the show was about fighting, but it's not (RE: Main character does not like fighting). When Vash loses a fight because he's a coward, it's because he ran away from bullets, not because he didn't have enough angst to make his penis dragon more powerful or something. I guess what it comes down to is the plots are usually very much driven by character interaction. Still had to look past some weird things to really enjoy it, but it still meets the criteria of "There are fisticuffs and the plot isn't advanced by characters gaining power levels". While there's lots of absurd things that happen, the show still has (somewhat) mundane aesthetic. Once again, searching for some better words here. Still, might not have enjoyed this if I hadn't watched some other anime first and gotten a little more able to look past some of the sillier tropes.

So yeah. There's my pointless internet rant.
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Re: No, I don't like anime... leave me alone.
« Reply #205 on: November 19, 2012, 06:25:06 pm »

Oh ye gods, you invoked Seymour? That bastard is emblematic of everything that is wrong with jRPG villains. You didn't even get a picture that showed off his open robe and poorly-rendered glowing body tattoos.  :P
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« Reply #206 on: November 19, 2012, 06:25:49 pm »

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Either he hasn't or he's doing a very good job at trolling me. I don't know any more. Do I need to use sarcasm tags whenever I draw an analogy to point out an obviously flawed argument?


The problem is that I have experienced far too many people who basically use the exact same arguement you have... except 100% serious.

Add in my usual inability to see obvious sarcasm and boom.
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« Reply #207 on: November 19, 2012, 06:26:29 pm »

What, like, ann-ih-mays? Seems true to the original french.
To rhyme it would have to be an-aims or something.  Pretty sure it's just shortened English anyway.
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Re: No, I don't like anime... leave me alone.
« Reply #208 on: November 19, 2012, 06:30:09 pm »

What, like, ann-ih-mays? Seems true to the original french.
To rhyme it would have to be an-aims or something.  Pretty sure it's just shortened English anyway.
I'm pretty sure it's like I described it. It doesn't rhyme, but it's got the right numbers of syllables to work out.
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Re: No, I don't like anime... leave me alone.
« Reply #209 on: November 19, 2012, 06:32:56 pm »

I watched Code MENT, and then proceeded to watch all of Code Geass. A brilliantly deep, depressing story about friendship and acceptable losses blah blah it's good.

Then watched Infinite MENT, and went into watching Infinite Stratos with high expectations. (That part was mostly my fault.)

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