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Re: What book are you reading/want to read?
« Reply #105 on: June 14, 2011, 04:34:28 pm »

Of course, we still haven't touched on what is clearly Lovecraft's Magnum Opus: Cats and Dogs
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Re: What book are you reading/want to read?
« Reply #106 on: June 14, 2011, 04:40:20 pm »

My favorite Lovecraft anthology is still the Del Rey Dreams of Terror and Death compilation that came out in the mid-nineties.  I'm pretty sure that's still in print..
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Re: What book are you reading/want to read?
« Reply #107 on: June 14, 2011, 05:32:07 pm »

HP was a little racist, but so was pretty much everyone else at the time so nothing strange there.

I find it hard to determine, in books "of an era", what the author's actual opinion might be...  It could be:
  • He/she is genuinely a nasty bit of work, with regard to racism/sexism/whatever the book exhibits,
  • He/she is merely a product of a society (and stratum of society) that at that time exhibits such opinions as are now outdated, but leak through into the book, or
  • He/she is far more progressive than that, but is depicting an "unreliable narrator" with the qualities (possibly even exaggerated) that the author wishes to satirise or somehow mirror in a form of derision.

As one example, Richard Hanney, John Buchan's hero of (amongst other books) The Thirty Nine Steps has right-wing tendencies and racial undertones to his attitude.  Albeit that there are "good foreigners" and "bad foreigners", not delineated entirely by their origin, and he can at least see the POV of the likes of pacifists.


As another (particularly noteworthy, in my mind) example, Edwin A. Abbott's "Flatland", the eponymous 2D world in which the narrator of the story lives is heavily based upon a caste-system based upon the number (and style) of sides each individual has (and has generally been born with).  Hexagons are the least noble of the nobility, with the upper-echelons being closer and closer to a perfect circle.  The 'middle classes' are pentagons and squares, and the narrator is A. Square (later given the name "Albert" by Ian Stewart's sequel-ish "Flatterland", written more than a hundred years after the 19thC original).  Triangles are tradespeople or (IIRC) soldiers if they are a particularly sharp isosceles shape.  Regularity of shape is all, and grossly malformed babies are subjected to various "corrective" procedures to try to make them embody the most regular shape that they can, and if they cannot be so corrected are essentially euthanised.    All this is "as it should be" to the teller of the tale (Albert or Edwin?).

Additionally, the females of that world are 'mere' lines (reproduction tends to produce offspring of one more side than the father, excepting for some special case amongst the triangular-classes, IIRC).  Dangerously sharp (being pointed at both ends) and treated as second-class to all males in most respects, with separate entrances to the 'houses' of the world so that they don't encounter (and fatally puncture) any of the male residents/visitors of the house coming the other way.  It's perhaps hard to say, at first glance, whether this really a sideways view of  the class-system and chauvinism of the author's Victorian era (ironically, a time where a woman ruled the land!), or an actual opinion by Abbott put into literature form.  Note that Stewart's 'sequel' followed Albert's daughter ('Victoria Line') and some form of emancipation, or perhaps just teenage rebellion, allowed the 21st Century sequel to represent a far less cowed female population (at least the youngsters... I must re-find and re-read both the books to refresh my memory), as she followed in her father's footsteps and "discovered" the world of 3D (and 1D, and 4D, among others), to continue the legacy of learning (amongst many more things) how the 2D creatures perceive our 3D space and (at least in Flatterland) thus enable us 3D beings to appreciate how with might strive to perceive, or at least imagine, the 4D universe and many other strangenesses thereof...

(Interestingly, another book to address the world of Flatterland was one that my memory vaguelly tells me was called "The Magic Umbrella".  The titular Umbrella, or some similar device, allowed/encouraged/enforced travel between the protagonist's own world and various other (allegedly) fictional ones, including a Gilbert And Sullivan world featuring Pirates, Policemen, Beefeaters, Royal Navy Sailors, Japanese nobility, etc, in which everyone sings everything they say.  But at one point there is a visit to Edwin Abbott Abbott's book-universe of Flatland, shortly after a visit to the world of Sherlock Holmes, where...
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Re: What book are you reading/want to read?
« Reply #108 on: June 14, 2011, 05:39:34 pm »

Reading off computer screens hurts my eyes.

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It's a really neat collection.

OR the shiny leather one. It'd be nice if they listed the books included, so you know which collections to get.

I'd have to ask what kind of leather was used.  And, given the subject matter, I might not be reassured that one of the books is the kind that actually reads you when you try to read it... :)
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Re: What book are you reading/want to read?
« Reply #109 on: June 14, 2011, 05:59:14 pm »

Just gonna throw this here:
http://www.hplovecraft.com/
You can find all his fictions there. Plus some poems, letters, essays, background info etc.

And for those who don't like to read from monitor, there is always a printer...
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Re: What book are you reading/want to read?
« Reply #110 on: June 14, 2011, 06:17:00 pm »

Actually a practical option. Most of his works are less than a dozen pages long. Even if you don't want to print from your printer, it's pretty common for libraries to have coin-operated printers available.
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Re: What book are you reading/want to read?
« Reply #111 on: June 14, 2011, 06:48:53 pm »

Indeed, I have plenty of his printed short stories from that page in my drawer.
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Re: What book are you reading/want to read?
« Reply #112 on: June 15, 2011, 11:00:32 am »

I'm just about the biggest HPL fan in the world, but I think it's absolutely absurd to downplay how repulsively, virulently racist the man was.  It's true that he becomes less so late in life, but if you read anything he wrote around the time he lived in New York City, it's a little bit exceptional even for a man of his time...
I really enjoy HPL's writings.  And he's definitely responsible for a lot of the non-standard horror we have these days.  And he managed to create an incredible mythology that modern authors are using to terrific effect.

But...  What I find most troubling about HPL is that his racism/classism/sexism/whatever can't even really be attributed to attitudes of the time.

He was, to a very large degree, intentionally affecting attitudes from a previous era that the thought were preferable to those of his own time.  That's why he uses archaic/european spellings instead of modern/american ones.  Not because that's what he learned, but because that's what he wished he had learned.



Anyway.  Just finished reading The Last Wish.

Just started reading I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream.  I'm a little embarrassed by that...  I'm a sci-fi geek, and consider myself fairly well-read...  But I haven't actually gotten around to reading anything by Ellison.
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Re: What book are you reading/want to read?
« Reply #113 on: June 15, 2011, 06:15:36 pm »

But...  What I find most troubling about HPL is that his racism/classism/sexism/whatever can't even really be attributed to attitudes of the time.
I still say I find it difficult to tell between the attitude of the author and the attitude of the unreliable narrator (albeit, with HPL, is a series of such unreliable narrators).  Which is probably a fault with myself.

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What a furore.  I accuse you of naïvety, you scallywag, over this ageing subject, and throw down the gauntlet.  You Americans need to get with the programme and realise that you aren't the centre of the world with your pretence of perfectly spelling artefacts of such speciality, and that we aren't at the arse-end of it with our phoney and colourful analogues of the self-same words.  (Maybe it's not black or white, but more a matt-grey issue!)  And if you disagree I challenge you to be a traveller, routeing over here on an aeroplane (or by some form of propelled sledge, if it is the season after autumn, but please ensure you are suitably insured!) so that we shall analyse and distill the many flavours and plough through all the pretence contained within such an encyclopædic catalogue of words.  I'm here at any time of day or night, although I might be in my pyjamas if the latter.  I shall show you the calibre of my arguments, even while I labour that my neighbour is not disturbed as we end up quarrelling outside the ground floor of my two-storey annexe, lest he complains and we both go to gaol, and henceforth put to rack and ruin...



With apologies if you read any less-than-cosy meaning into that bit of intended humour!!!


(As for our European spellings being more archaic...  Interestingly, I happen to know that some of the Anglicisations used above are more modern than their supposedly Americanized counterparts. :) )
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Re: What book are you reading/want to read?
« Reply #114 on: June 15, 2011, 07:51:15 pm »

Reading Smoke and Mirrors by Neil Gaiman and Slaughterhouse Five by Kurt Vonnegut.
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Re: What book are you reading/want to read?
« Reply #115 on: June 15, 2011, 07:52:35 pm »

Reading Master and Margarita, and I'm probably going to pull out some Plato tonight as well once I finish my blasted German homework.
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Re: What book are you reading/want to read?
« Reply #116 on: June 15, 2011, 11:16:15 pm »

But...  What I find most troubling about HPL is that his racism/classism/sexism/whatever can't even really be attributed to attitudes of the time.
I still say I find it difficult to tell between the attitude of the author and the attitude of the unreliable narrator (albeit, with HPL, is a series of such unreliable narrators).  Which is probably a fault with myself.

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That's why he uses archaic/european spellings instead of modern/american ones.
What a furore.  I accuse you of naïvety, you scallywag, over this ageing subject, and throw down the gauntlet.  You Americans need to get with the programme and realise that you aren't the centre of the world with your pretence of perfectly spelling artefacts of such speciality, and that we aren't at the arse-end of it with our phoney and colourful analogues of the self-same words.  (Maybe it's not black or white, but more a matt-grey issue!)  And if you disagree I challenge you to be a traveller, routeing over here on an aeroplane (or by some form of propelled sledge, if it is the season after autumn, but please ensure you are suitably insured!) so that we shall analyse and distill the many flavours and plough through all the pretence contained within such an encyclopædic catalogue of words.  I'm here at any time of day or night, although I might be in my pyjamas if the latter.  I shall show you the calibre of my arguments, even while I labour that my neighbour is not disturbed as we end up quarrelling outside the ground floor of my two-storey annexe, lest he complains and we both go to gaol, and henceforth put to rack and ruin...



With apologies if you read any less-than-cosy meaning into that bit of intended humour!!!


(As for our European spellings being more archaic...  Interestingly, I happen to know that some of the Anglicisations used above are more modern than their supposedly Americanized counterparts. :) )

Superfluous letter "u"s are superfluous.

Also, why in God's name should the "er" sound be spelled "re"? That makes no ******* sense!

(I disagree, however, with the premise of this argument, as most of the words that Lovecraft uses don't even HAVE a modern spelling because the only modern people to use them are Lovecraft and people aping his style)
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Re: What book are you reading/want to read?
« Reply #117 on: June 16, 2011, 12:16:19 am »

Mark Z. Danielewski's "House of Leaves".

Hint: Try not to read this one, while you're in a mental institution. Doctors may misunderstand you.
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« Reply #118 on: June 16, 2011, 12:29:53 am »

I just read this novel in the modern times where a plane wreck revealed an expansive system of caverns!

There was a bizarre and lethal ecosystem associated with this cave system.

At the end, everyone basically died, except the super-soldier hero. It was apparently a book in a series and reminded me so much of 2010DF

The writer was Australian, the writing was god-awfully cliched and it was recent, but I can't come up with the title of the novel... I feel bad, its definitely worth reading for a DF fan.
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Re: What book are you reading/want to read?
« Reply #119 on: June 16, 2011, 12:53:45 am »

Mark Z. Danielewski's "House of Leaves".

Hint: Try not to read this one, while you're in a mental institution. Doctors may misunderstand you.
I've borrowed the book from my friend, and while I haven't had the chance to read anything, it seems pretty slammin'.
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