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[MrGimp]

I dont know why women prefer to bend over for tattooed slack jawed yokels in hummers....but they just do.  That doesnt make YOU the inferior one.  It makes THEM inferior for still selecting mates based on skillsets that have not been advantageous since the bronze age.  We're just talking apes afterall, so it is not surprising that we still show a lot of ape like behavior.

If anyone hasn't noticed the incredible degree of sexism in MrGimp's post, here it is.

Yeah.  The one sentence where I mention women.  The post was gender neutral.  Notice the next sentence....*WE* are just talking apes after all.  Thats inclusive of all humans.  If you think its sexist then youre free to form that opinion.  If in that sentence I had talked about men, would this drama have started?  No.  Because no one cares if you insult a man.  But say something thats not flattering about women, and a bunch of do-gooders come out.  The hypocrisy doesnt impress me.

Is it really hard to understand that women are equal to men, and on the whole are just as stupid and ignorant and ruled by hormones and genes as men are?  Im not sexist for admitting the stupidity of our race.  You people are sexist for putting women on a pedestal where you cant say anything bad about them without the thought police throwing their self-righteous two cents in.

[MrGimp]

You people are anal.

[Leafsnail]

Yeah.  The one sentence where I mention women.  The post was gender neutral.

women prefer to bend over for tattooed slack jawed yokels in hummers... It makes THEM inferior

Saying women are only good for "bending over" and that they can't even bend over for the right people and are therefore inferior... yeah, very "gender neutral".

Notice the next sentence....*WE* are just talking apes after all.  Thats inclusive of all humans.  If you think its sexist then youre free to form that opinion.  If in that sentence I had talked about men, would this drama have started?  No.  Because no one cares if you insult a man.  But say something thats not flattering about women, and a bunch of do-gooders come out.  The hypocrisy doesnt impress me.

Baseless assumption is baseless.

Is it really hard to understand that women are equal to men, and on the whole are just as stupid and ignorant and ruled by hormones and genes as men are?  Im not sexist for admitting the stupidity of our race.  You people are sexist for putting women on a pedestal where you cant say anything bad about them without the thought police throwing their self-righteous two cents in.

If calling you out on implying that women are only good for bending over for men (indeed, your post that's aimed at the "master race" of superior people assumes it's talking to a man - since obviously a woman could never be smart, they're just there to bend over) and for outright saying that they are inferior is somehow sexist, I guess that somehow makes me a sexist.

[Mindmaker]

 I believe it's simpy a misundertanding, due to some poorly chosen wording.

But yeah, the tone is rather extreme.

[MrGimp]

Yeah.  The one sentence where I mention women.  The post was gender neutral.

women prefer to bend over for tattooed slack jawed yokels in hummers... It makes THEM inferior

Saying women are only good for "bending over" and that they can't even bend over for the right people and are therefore inferior... yeah, very "gender neutral".

Notice the next sentence....*WE* are just talking apes after all.  Thats inclusive of all humans.  If you think its sexist then youre free to form that opinion.  If in that sentence I had talked about men, would this drama have started?  No.  Because no one cares if you insult a man.  But say something thats not flattering about women, and a bunch of do-gooders come out.  The hypocrisy doesnt impress me.

Baseless assumption is baseless.

Is it really hard to understand that women are equal to men, and on the whole are just as stupid and ignorant and ruled by hormones and genes as men are?  Im not sexist for admitting the stupidity of our race.  You people are sexist for putting women on a pedestal where you cant say anything bad about them without the thought police throwing their self-righteous two cents in.

If calling you out on implying that women are only good for bending over for men (indeed, your post that's aimed at the "master race" of superior people assumes it's talking to a man - since obviously a woman could never be smart, they're just there to bend over) and for outright saying that they are inferior is somehow sexist, I guess that somehow makes me a sexist.

Your reading comprehension is suprisingly low for these forums.  I would have expected better.

[Leafsnail]

Oh no, don't make any specific criticisms of what I'm saying or attempt to clarify your position.  Just throw an insult.

[Grakelin]

Although Mr. Gimp is acting like a froth at the mouth lunatic, he is right when he calls out your reading comprehension. The generalization of "women only want to bend over for blah blah blah" is not the same as "women are only good for bending over for blah blah blah". The 'only want' is in exclusion to the other types of people to bend for, and not to other activities. I only want to eat pitas, but I will also drink kool-aid and drive cars.

Everything else about his post is silly, though.

Also, Vector, it hasn't been three weeks.

[Leafsnail]

I never said that that particular statement directly meant that women were only good for bending over (indeed, he said that women "prefer" to bend over for yokels, rather than "only want to").  Just that the general thrust of the whole thing strongly implied that he didn't think women were good for anything other than sex (although sexism is obviously only one part of his ridiculously elitist perspective).

And of course he goes on to say that women are inferior for not wanting to have sex with the master race immediately afterwards (although again I suppose this sexism is a byproduct of elitism).

[Bauglir]

Short rebuttal, because I don't want to think about this thread much longer. To take an approach different from what other people (seem to) have, you're clearly failing to look at the situation rationally. The correct approach to any problems you see in your life is not to insist that there is no problem and everyone else is wrong, but to address the problem. If your actions don't attract people, it's not their fault, because they were under no obligation to be attracted to you in the first place. You failed to meet whatever their standards were, and they are no worse a person because their standards don't match up with what you think they should be.

Admittedly I've only read the last two pages. Somebody might have mentioned it already.

[Vector]

All designed by socially awkward nerds who never got laid.

They need someone to remind them that they are not the shit on the bottom of someone's shoe, not someone who will laugh at them because theyre not a ladies man.

This is the part where you assume that there are no women who contributed to all that.  Except, perhaps, Marie Curie.

One of the people to introduce yourself to would be Rosalind Franklin.

No.  Because no one cares if you insult a man.

And this is where you make reckless assumptions about my character, beliefs, and behavior that you really shouldn't.

Don't pretend that this is misandry at work.  It's my annoyance.

Also, Vector, it hasn't been three weeks.

If you want me off the net that badly, I can leave.

I already posted about this, though.

[kotekzot]

Read my post again and show me the spot where I said women are an inferior class.  Its not there and you know it.  I simply mentioned their genetic predisposition to like mating with what they perceive as the strongest males.

It makes THEM inferior for still selecting mates based on skillsets that have not been advantageous since the bronze age.

Putting two and two together, we arrive at

Women have a genetic predisposition to being inferior

NIIIICE.

[Kicior]

"Woman is either inferior or superior to man; she is rarely his equal." Gustave Le Bon
I think it's an appropiate punch line of the discussion above.

I hope it makes sense. Don't start another flame war if it doesn't.

[Vector]

I hope it makes sense. Don't start another flame war if it doesn't.

Not really, but I'll assume that you posted with in the best of intentions.

[Nikov]

Men and women are not equal, Vector, for the same reason a pickup truck and a minivan are not equal. They both get different gas mileage, can carry different amounts and types of cargo, have different horsepowers, one is a stick, one is automatic, one has a tow hitch, one has a hatchback. It would be a fallacy of the highest order to look at two automobiles built for entirely different purposes and say they are equal in all respects because they both automobiles. It is also a fallacy of the highest order to assume they are never equal. A minivan and a pickup truck can both transport a single operator to and from work. A minivan and a pickup truck can both carry the groceries home. But most people do not take a minivan to a gravel yard to pick up two tons of sand, and most people do not throw the kids in the back of the pickup truck to take them to soccer. That is not to say you cannot do either. And that is certainly not to say that all pickup trucks are better than minivans at the usual pickup truck strong suit. A full cab pickup truck might be great for taking the kids to soccer. A minivan with removable seats could carry new furniture home through the rain.

Thus the purpose of the quotation is to highlight that there is a false dichtonomy. The question is not "are men better than women" or "are women better than men", but a much more difficult to grasp "men are better than women and women are better than men, with individual exceptions to the norm". My wife struggles with basic arithmetic, while you perform calculations I can't begin to comprehend. It is obviously false to say men are better than women at math because you are better than me at math, but it is similarly false to say men and women are equal at math because my wife is not equal to either myself or a woman such as yourself. Likewise I can't give birth or nurse but she can't work for two months after childbirth. Sometimes the differences are software and sometimes they are hardware, but when people point out a difference there's no sense in assuming they do so out of bigotry.

[Vector]

Ah-ha!

Thank you.  That completely flew over my head.