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[DJ]

With each day I grow more convinced that Germany is the best country in the world.

[Truean]

Oh damn, Wiki tells me that it doesn't exist in USA. You guys really *are* barbarians

Problem is we don't get legal protection if we do assist and we can get sued for assault.

Yes, that or negligence or a million other things.

It is a question though if you think about it. What if with the best of intentions you try to help somebody and and you end up hurting them or screwing up badly or something. It happens. I mean what do you do? What do they do? What if you do CPR wrong and break their rib cage/damage their lungs? What if you move someone who is seriously injured when you shouldn't (and if you didn't their neck/back might not have broken)? It's complicated.

On the one hand, I can totally see wanting people to help.

On the other, what if their help, while trying to be help, is not?

What do you do when it's expensive and dangerous to rescue people who even want rescued?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/station-fire-evacuate-gold-canyon.html

[Tellemurius]

With each day I grow more convinced that Germany is the best country in the world.

You are all still a bunch of racist bastards you know?

What a bitch just to get a travelers visa there, i am american too.

[Bauglir]

He called it unique.

Just another random point I want to make; that's also useless. That every cell in your body has the same genetic code is one of those nice white lies they tell you in biology class, which is approximately true. Leaving aside chemical modifications to your DNA to change what gets expressed where, mutations happen with enough frequency that there are somewhere between thousands and millions of cells with unique genetic codes scattered throughout your body, though most of them differ only by a single nucleotide. Not to mention all the shenanigans that go on with white blood cells, which I'm barely even qualified to bring up.

Basically, like phrases such as "the 7 characteristics of life", I'm afraid it's a bit more complicated than that.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

What if you do CPR wrong and break their rib cage/damage their lungs?

You don't have to do it wrong. Doing CPR at all leaves a high chance that you'll crush the sternum or break a rib, but that's better than dying.

[DJ]

Yeah, I thought that if the duty to rescue comes into play the person needing help is likely to die if left alone.

Oh, and I'm not German, but I do plan to move there eventually.

[Durin Stronginthearm]

What if you do CPR wrong and break their rib cage/damage their lungs?

You don't have to do it wrong. Doing CPR at all leaves a high chance that you'll crush the sternum or break a rib, but that's better than dying.

Yep. I had First Aid training in December and was told by the paramedic training the class that CPR, properly performed, will almost always break the ribs.

It doesn't really matter though, because if you're in a bad enough state to need CPR, you're probably gonna die anyway.

[GlyphGryph]

Germany is pretty big on censorship. I know a lot of my favorite video games are banned there, or explicitly need "german versions" with large chunks of the games removed.

[Criptfeind]

I'm afraid it's a bit more complicated than that.

Your trying to make it more complicated then it is though, that's for sure. Like any of the mutated cells in me are equivalent in any way to it. Yeah. No.

[ChairmanPoo]

Yep. I had First Aid training in December and was told by the paramedic training the class that CPR, properly performed, will almost always break the ribs.

That's a gross exaggeration.

It doesn't really matter though, because if you're in a bad enough state to need CPR, you're probably gonna die anyway.

Or not. At any rate a poorly performed CPR is better than no CPR.

[Tellemurius]

Yep. I had First Aid training in December and was told by the paramedic training the class that CPR, properly performed, will almost always break the ribs.

That's a gross exaggeration.

It doesn't really matter though, because if you're in a bad enough state to need CPR, you're probably gonna die anyway.

Or not. At any rate a poorly performed CPR is better than no CPR.

True, too bad you got a less chance of the person waking up and shaking your hand thanking you. Sad world eh?

[Durin Stronginthearm]

Yep. I had First Aid training in December and was told by the paramedic training the class that CPR, properly performed, will almost always break the ribs.

That's a gross exaggeration.

I think I'll take the opinion of a paramedic with over a decade's experience over yours, Mr Random Internet Person.

Or not. At any rate a poorly performed CPR is better than no CPR.

I didn't say it wasn't. It definitely is. But the point still stands. The most likely beneficiary isn't the person receiving CPR, it's the people who get their organs.

[RedKing]

What if you do CPR wrong and break their rib cage/damage their lungs?

You don't have to do it wrong. Doing CPR at all leaves a high chance that you'll crush the sternum or break a rib, but that's better than dying.

True dat. IIRC, most states (if not all) have a Good Samaritan law on the books that covers you from liability if you injure someone in the course of trying to rescue them. (Like if their car crashes, and even though they may have suffered an spinal injury, you have to drag them from the car because it's on fire...I've actually been a part of that situation in RL).

BUT...it varies by jurisdiction (at least in the US), and there are a lot of extenuating circumstances that can be considered. If instead of the above scenario, you had a wreck where the car is NOT on fire, and not in the middle of the highway in the dark where you're liable to be hit again or something, and you move them and they're paralyzed as a result...then you could be liable for reckless negligence.

Apparently in Minnesota and Vermont, bystanders are actually required to provide at least minimal assistance (such as calling 911). Violation is a $100 fine in Vermont and a petty misdemeanor charge in Minnesota.

[Criptfeind]

I think I'll take the opinion of a paramedic with over a decade's experience over yours, Mr Random Internet Person.

He's a doctor.

[Durin Stronginthearm]

EDIT: Most doctors rarely perform CPR though, if ever, certainly not as much as a paramedic.

Though if it turns out he works in ER then I withdraw my statement, I obviously got that bit wrong in that case.