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Author Topic: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread  (Read 869976 times)

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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #10530 on: January 27, 2012, 07:01:02 pm »

I always end up making social blunders because of that annoying inconsistency :/  Among my high school friends and online friends, sexual innuendo is a must.  But with family and college friends, I'd die painful social death for the slightest hint of a sex joke.  But my college friends dabble in medium to light sexual innuendo sometimes, then suddenly decide it's inappropriate in a slightly different situation.

Let me use an example.  One college friend made a lot of butt-grabbing gay jokes at school, which was apparently fine.  Then on Facebook, I posted a "that's what she said!" in a non-sexual context on his wall, and my post got deleted.  He said his sister was disturbed by what I said o_O

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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #10531 on: January 27, 2012, 07:10:27 pm »

Well that's not on him, that's on his sister. If he said "Hey dude, that's not cool!" then I'd be "wut".
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #10532 on: January 27, 2012, 07:26:57 pm »

Whatever would be the most trollish response.
Wouldn't the most trollish response be to refuse to take a stand when asked to? :P
Well that's not on him, that's on his sister. If he said "Hey dude, that's not cool!" then I'd be "wut".
He wouldn't be the first to use someone else's alleged opinion to hide their own face. After all, sexual innuendo is one of those topics where a lot of people can't afford to make a faux pass, so having someone else to point to, preferably completely unrelated to the one you're talking to is an  easy cop-out.
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #10533 on: January 27, 2012, 07:35:12 pm »

A good dirty joke is like an ambush. For maximum effect, it should be subtle, it should hit them right where and when they don't expect it, and finally it should be used infrequently and originally lest they get used to the prospect.

Oh, and make sure you're in the right territory for it, you don't ambush people in the middle of a wide open plain.
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #10534 on: January 27, 2012, 07:41:22 pm »

"Know your audience and know yourself and you need not fear a hundred puns"
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #10535 on: January 27, 2012, 07:43:24 pm »

Porn and masculinity (from a male perspective)
I think men are afraid to discuss pornography.  There's huge cultural stigmas involved.  A lot of people believe that people who watch it are creepy, weird, and disturbed.
Have you been to DFC chat recently?

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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #10536 on: January 27, 2012, 10:11:06 pm »

Yes. Wait, what the hell is "DFC chat"?
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #10537 on: January 27, 2012, 10:16:15 pm »

The dwarf fortress steam group chat thing... probably. Unless Telle's got a fondness of the other DFC. Of which there's probably several chats related to the appreciation thereof, but none specifically connected to the Bay 12 community... that I know of.
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #10538 on: January 27, 2012, 11:48:36 pm »

Porn and masculinity (from a male perspective)
Heh, I'll give my perspective, as a male consumer.



Two things enrage me about porn. Only one is the industry's "fault," and even then you could probably blame it on giving customers what they want.


1) The stigma against its use. I started watching it as a kid, like a large number people, yet was terrified and ashamed by it. Terrified, as my young naive self, that I was going to get punished and hauled off to juvenile hall or something for lying about my age. Not to mention punishments from parents. Ashamed because in this ridiculous culture sexual things are something that should be hidden away, so I even convinced myself that I was doing something "bad." It wrecked my self esteem and plunged me into some of the worst depression of my life. Since masturbating gives an endorphin rush, naturally I became "addicted" as a way to offset my depression, and went through a nasty cycle of shame. Rejecting the notion that it was "bad" saved my life, quite literally. It also killed my religious faith as much as anything, since that was a bit player in initially convincing me that I shouldn't be doing such things.

2) What the article's really about. The mainstream porn industry is almost entirely made up of men dominating women. Google for "porn" and the first site that pops up is invariably going to be some dude overpowering a questionably willing (and/or kinky) women. The opposite (femdom) is considered a fetish. A good argument for why this is bad, I think, is because a very, very large percentage of men get their first sexual experiences from porn. This is teaching them not only that the highly fetishized and exaggerated stuff shown on screen is normal (when it very much isn't), but also that that's what women want. Certainly it's the case that some women like that, but hardly all, and if a man does what porn has taught them to do with someone not very interested, it's not going to be pretty. I don't have any statistics, but my gut feeling states that yes, most men like to "dominate" and most women like to "be dominated"; that's why the majority of porn shows this, since they're just appealing to the majority. But like all assumptions about people, it's never something you should expect of your partner, and porn does a horrible, horrible job of showing that.

EDIT: Here's my responses to the 7 common replies the guy got:
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I have a personal vendetta against the culture of shame surrounding sex and porn. I don't think my experience is a unique one, not at all, and any effort to demonize and hide sexual themes is one I am opposed to. As for the porn industry's responsibility, I'm fine with them showing whatever they want (even crap like rape porn, provided it's strictly in the realm of fantasy), but they do need to do a better job of explaining that it is indeed, fantasy. No one's naive enough to think those 18+ confirmation boxes do a damn thing, so it doesn't absolve them from any responsibility on the matter.
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #10539 on: January 28, 2012, 05:42:41 am »

It also killed my religious faith as much as anything, since that was a bit player in initially convincing me that I shouldn't be doing such things.
For the record, Christianity does not condemn masturbation per se, and I'm sure many other religions don't do that as well. I mean, no good people would want to stop us from doing fun things that aren't harmful, and potentially healthy, right?

But yeah, this culture of sex-phobia needs to stop.
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« Reply #10540 on: January 28, 2012, 05:57:23 am »

It also killed my religious faith as much as anything, since that was a bit player in initially convincing me that I shouldn't be doing such things.
For the record, Christianity does not condemn masturbation per se, and I'm sure many other religions don't do that as well. I mean, no good people would want to stop us from doing fun things that aren't harmful, and potentially healthy, right?

That comes off as pretty naive. For example, the Catholic church condemns masturbation and pretty much any other sex act that isn't sex to completion, without contraception, between husband and wife. Other denominations differ but most hardline ones aren't particularly open-minded about sex in general.
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #10541 on: January 28, 2012, 05:59:15 am »

It also killed my religious faith as much as anything, since that was a bit player in initially convincing me that I shouldn't be doing such things.
For the record, Christianity does not condemn masturbation per se, and I'm sure many other religions don't do that as well. I mean, no good people would want to stop us from doing fun things that aren't harmful, and potentially healthy, right?

That comes off as pretty naive. For example, the Catholic church condemns masturbation and pretty much any other sex act that isn't sex to completion, without contraception, between husband and wife. Other denominations differ but most hardline ones aren't particularly open-minded about sex in general.
I mean the Bible, sorry.
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« Reply #10542 on: January 28, 2012, 06:14:18 am »

That's true, but I think you'll find that a whooooole lot of Christianity has very little to do with what's in the Bible.
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #10543 on: January 28, 2012, 07:19:40 am »

Also I believe that homophobia has very little to do with religion in general, a homophobic religion is just a result of homophobia. So blaming homophobia on religion is just doing nothing but fueling the fire and giving the religious homophobes more reason to be terrified. The texts they use to support their view are just that, things to support the view they have established already.

I know some buddhists who are homophobic despite their texts recognizing many forms of sexuality.

Anyway G-Flex has seen this article already, but I'm pretty sure it fits right into this thread.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/27/us/rhode-island-city-enraged-over-school-prayer-lawsuit.html?src=me&ref=general
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #10544 on: January 28, 2012, 07:23:45 am »

Still, why are so many homophobes religious? You cannot hide the fact that some religions breeds very intrisigent world view.
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