Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[Durin Stronginthearm]

And just to not have an example that can't be related back to alchol and tobacco: Hallucinogens, which are far more dangerous than the big two, not just to the user but possible to anyone in the room at the drop of a hat.

Wait wait WHAT? Ha, you have to be kidding. There are drugs that are dangerous, but hallucinogens? As in, psychadelics? LSD, magic mushrooms, that sort of stuff? You can't be serious. Pretty much every major study on drug lethality has found them be, overall, very safe. Like alcohol, you can certainly do stupid things when you're on them (especially if you take too much), but there's not really any evidence for the common hallucinogens being any sort of risk to anyone unless the user is stupid enough to operate heavy machinery while on it. (which, again, goes for most any drug)

I mean, delirients, maybe. But no one uses deliriants - most of them are still legal because that shit is stupid and no one bothers.

LSD (and mushrooms) are safer than caffeine.

Spoiler: Chart (click to show/hide)

[GlyphGryph]

Mind you, that graph doesn't account for accidents and poor decisions and the like due to the drug use, which I think was his contention as to their danger. Though there's not much evidence for them being dangerous there either.

[Tellemurius]

That looks familiar, like DSM4 familiar. Anyways that is correct though I noticed that pain killers are missing. Hydrocodone and oxycodone are more widely used than morphine.

[MonkeyHead]

The graph doesnt actually say anything at all about how many people die as a direct use of the drug. As GlyphGryph points out, people die when taking LSD as they try and fly off the roof to escape the giant blue mandolphins. People generally dont die from drinking coffee. Simply as a drug has a low potential for overdose says nothing about its likleyhood to lead to your death by other means directly influenced by the drug.

[Levi]

I'm all for legalizing the sale and the use of most of the drugs.  Addiction is a terrible thing, but its even harder to break an addiction if you are on the street and in a constant state of misery.  I'd rather see a person addicted and able to keep a somewhat stable lifestyle than person addicted and dead in the street because the cost of drugs being so high they end up homeless and with no healthcare.

The "war on drugs" would be much better served with education(not propaganda) and support, rather than hate and contempt.

I can understand legalizing pot, but everything? Some of the stuff like Meth isn't something you can walk away from, it will seriously mess you up

Except I kind of agree with this.  Meth is so horrible for a person that it should not be legal to sell it.  I like to think any sane person would choose to use another drug over meth if given the choice. 

[GlyphGryph]

As GlyphGryph points out, people die when taking LSD as they try and fly off the roof to escape the giant blue mandolphins.

Mind you, I've never seen any evidence that this has happened either. LSD causes impaired judgement, yes, but there's been significant evidence the impaired judgement is any more dangerous than alcohol. Some people have jumped out windows, again, yes, but I've ALSO known people to jump out windows while drunk or just because they were feeling particularly stupid that day. And there's only been one reported death due to it, and that was for Steven Taylor, who jumped off of shit all the time when sober. The LSD seems only to have made him misjudge the danger of that particular jump.

The only notable cause of death attributed to LSD users is actually being beaten to death by police officers, which still counts as "behavioural, caused by LSD" in the numbers.

[MonkeyHead]

Yea, probably a silly example, but chosen more for humour rather than accuracy. My sentiment remains the same though - the lethality of a drug can not be solely based on what constitutes a fatal dose.

[Durin Stronginthearm]

Simply as a drug has a low potential for overdose says nothing about its likleyhood to lead to your death by other means directly influenced by the drug.

True, but it's a useful metric. And a quantifiable one too.

I would also note that people make poor decisions every day, even without drugs. And there are many things that can influence people to make poor choices, including movies, TV, and internet forums , and these are all perfectly legal.

[Phmcw]

Meth was widely used by the German army in WW2 while allied force used other amphetamines.
The damage meth do is linked with the socials problems of the US more than that substance herself.
In major sociological disaster area, peoples get high off anything to escape their situation (eg mother Russia and krocodile).

[Nadaka]

Meth was widely used by the German army in WW2 while allied force used other amphetamines.
The damage meth do is linked with the socials problems of the US more than that substance herself.
In major sociological disaster area, peoples get high off anything to escape their situation (eg mother Russia and krocodile).

The physical damage caused by meth is also at least partially due to the fact that the recipe had to be changed over time as several of its key components became unavailable. Plus the fact that some of its ingredients are poison and improper cooking does not break them down completely. Plus even "normal" meth is still pretty nasty stuff anyway, but the shit on the streets right now is a lot worse than it could be.

[G-Flex]

Meth was widely used by the German army in WW2 while allied force used other amphetamines.

You can't compare normal usage to soldiers/pilots using it in war. Hell, if it meant I had a better chance of not being shot down and killed, I'd probably take all kinds of ridiculously dangerous drugs. This is not a normal usage scenario.

[Vector]

Sweden: Requires forced sterilization of transgendered/genderqueer people if they want to transition legally.

Fucking seriously?


Gonna be gone for a while, so be good, kids, and if all else fails branch it off into another thread.

[/mom]

[Luke_Prowler]

I was more refering to the likes of PCP

[Tellemurius]

Sweden: Requires forced sterilization of transgendered/genderqueer people if they want to transition legally.

Fucking seriously?


Gonna be gone for a while, so be good, kids, and if all else fails branch it off into another thread.

[/mom]

>_>
<_<
>_(\

Anyone up for that underground fortress yet?

[Levi]

Sweden: Requires forced sterilization of transgendered/genderqueer people if they want to transition legally.

Fucking seriously?

Gonna be gone for a while, so be good, kids, and if all else fails branch it off into another thread.
[/mom]

Oi.  What the hell Sweden?  I can't believe forced(well, sorta) sterilization is still even something people can even consider.