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[Nadaka]

Then how does morality work? I can't imagine it being a good thing for people to become immoral simply due to something as trivial as a few facts?

People do not become immoral because of the facts. The facts are by definition always true and people were already moral or immoral, simply unaware of it.

We can all agree that antifeminist positions and sexism is morally wrong.

What? I mean. Sexism can be against men as well you realize? And indeed, like others are saying, the facts could have said that is the case here. It would not have been morally wrong then to oppose it just because the oppressed were male.

Erm, sexism implies the presence of a power component. The omnipresence of the patriarchy

Wrong. patriarchy is NOT omnipresent.

has completely removed any power component that may be applicable in views slanted against men. So sexism against men is quite literally impossible.

Also wrong. Even with the presence of patriarchy it is not the sole power component. Case in point, men have no place raising children. This has a very real impact on men in the real world. In a divorce, a judge will place children with an unemployed, drug abusing, a history of mental illness mother before they will place a child with an employed, well adjusted, stable father more often than not.

The fact is sexism is wrong. There is no way for a sexist morality to be supported by facts. It is simply a contradiction at the most base level.

In that case, asking for facts is unnecessary, as they add nothing to the discussion.

The problem is that you are under the delusion that there can be no sexism harmful to men.

[kaijyuu]

@Virex

Look. I love people coming in here with opposing viewpoints. I means we don't go off on stupid tangents like whether a single letter existed in some politician's speech.

But there comes a point where there's just no point to debating things. Defending non-sequiturs with more non-sequiturs. Being willfully blind to opposing viewpoints. That sort of thing.


I'll say this as politely as I can: Stop spewing your fucking bigoted garbage.

[Criptfeind]

Virex. This conversation interests me much less then your life does. Please tell us your life story so we can all be amateur psychologists.

[ECrownofFire]

We can all agree that antifeminist positions and sexism is morally wrong.

What? I mean. Sexism can be against men as well you realize? And indeed, like others are saying, the facts could have said that is the case here. It would not have been morally wrong then to oppose it just because the oppressed were male.

Erm, sexism implies the presence of a power component. The omnipresence of the patriarchy has completely removed any power component that may be applicable in views slanted against men. So sexism against men is quite literally impossible.

No, no, no, not at ALL.

Sexism is the viewpoint that one sex is inferior. It does not matter who holds this position, nor does it matter who they think is inferior.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Virex. This conversation interests me much less then your life does. Please tell us your life story so we can all be amateur psychologists.

I think we might be able to get some rewards or grant money if we pretend to be a college or something. UB12, anyone?

[Virex]

Virex. This conversation interests me much less then your life does. Please tell us your life story so we can all be amateur psychologists.

I'm just a bog-standard chemistry student who lives with his parents and probably spends too much time on the internet. Make of that what you will.

We can all agree that antifeminist positions and sexism is morally wrong.

What? I mean. Sexism can be against men as well you realize? And indeed, like others are saying, the facts could have said that is the case here. It would not have been morally wrong then to oppose it just because the oppressed were male.

Erm, sexism implies the presence of a power component. The omnipresence of the patriarchy has completely removed any power component that may be applicable in views slanted against men. So sexism against men is quite literally impossible.

No, no, no, not at ALL.

Sexism is the viewpoint that one sex is inferior. It does not matter who holds this position, nor does it matter who they think is inferior.

That's not the standard definition

[Descan]

They lack the power component to be discrimination. They're totally sexism, though.

Discrimination:    

    The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

Sexism:

    Prejudice, stereotyping, or¹ discrimination, typically² against women, on the basis of sex.

¹ Meaning including, but not limited to. It includes discrimination, but not only discrimination.

² Again, meaning including, but not limited to. It means that sexism against men is possible.

Pseudo-edit: And yeah, Nadaka raises a point. There -is- institutional discrimination against men, such as judges favoring women in divorce cases even though men are just as good at raising children as women. Or discrimination against rape cases where the victim was a man.

[ECrownofFire]

Also, this Onion article is so incredibly relevant right now.

[Descan]

I'm gonna take a break from posting in this topic, on this topic. I'm too stressed out now. :/

[Criptfeind]

That's not the standard definition

You might want a unbiased source for something as basic as definitions. More so if you plan to actually plan your morality on definitions.

[Nadaka]

I'll say this as politely as I can: Stop spewing your fucking bigoted garbage.

Was that directed at me for the post directly preceding yours? If so, you may have misunderstood that bit in the middle.

[Levi]

This topic has gotten worked up to the point where I'm starting to doubt I ever quite understood it in the first place.   

[kaijyuu]

I'll say this as politely as I can: Stop spewing your fucking bigoted garbage.

Was that directed at me for the post directly preceding yours? If so, you may have misunderstood that bit in the middle.

Directly at Virex. Context with my previous posts should make that clear

But yeah, forums can be misleading like that.

[Descan]

That was the definition I got when I Googled "Sexism definition".

[ECrownofFire]

That's not the standard definition

Oh boy a semantics debate!

Wait, let's define "standard" first!

something established by authority, custom, or general consent as a model or example

Ah, so by the obviously-biased-feminism-blog standard, you are indeed correct. However, this is not obviously-biased-feminism-blog-land, this is the real world, where people can be sexist to anyone, regardless of gender.