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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #9420 on: January 08, 2012, 12:05:58 pm »

My already pretty low opinion of the "average" citizen of the US is being dragged lower by the ongoing political circus. Seriously - you really mean to tell me that those clowns (which is a kind word when some of thier homophobic, racist and xenophobic, narrow minded and out of date ideas are taken into account) acutally have large numbers of people agreeing with them - enough people to make them serious candidates for the role of "leading" the free world? If I were Obama, I would probably consider an election stratgety based around the ideas of "Seriously? That Guy instead of me? Come on..." and "You might not like me, but at least I dont think banning contraceptives is a good idea..."

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« Reply #9421 on: January 08, 2012, 01:10:04 pm »

To be fair, Rick Perry is pretty much out at this point. He doesn't hold any kind of lead in any state, from the polls I have read.
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #9422 on: January 08, 2012, 01:12:17 pm »

My already pretty low opinion of the "average" citizen of the US is being dragged lower by the ongoing political circus. Seriously - you really mean to tell me that those clowns (which is a kind word when some of thier homophobic, racist and xenophobic, narrow minded and out of date ideas are taken into account) acutally have large numbers of people agreeing with them - enough people to make them serious candidates for the role of "leading" the free world? If I were Obama, I would probably consider an election stratgety based around the ideas of "Seriously? That Guy instead of me? Come on..." and "You might not like me, but at least I dont think banning contraceptives is a good idea..."
Once you think about it, it becomes obvious just why such a strategy would backfire horribly.
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« Reply #9423 on: January 08, 2012, 01:15:01 pm »

Still, he used to lead. The fact that the GOP is choosing between an array of retarded people and someone who changed position so often you have no idea what he'll do once in office (probably will turn out to have even less balls than Obama.), while not even considering the sane candidates (Huntsman or Rhoemer) is quite frightening.
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« Reply #9424 on: January 08, 2012, 01:45:14 pm »

Actually I just need a bumper sticker of that, period.

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She also got a pair of "twin" baby dolls, one in pink and one in blue. She has decided the blue one belongs to her toddler brother, and he has accepted this without resistance, carrying it around and hugging it when it cries. We're cool with that. He's already showing quite a bit more empathy than expected for his age (although he still thinks its funny when he jumps on me on the floor and I coil up in pain).
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #9425 on: January 08, 2012, 03:02:29 pm »

Holy lutefisk, Georgia. I don't even comprehend that.

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DEPLOY SOUTHERN DAMAGE CONTROL!

okay, so according to the article, the teacher was trying to combine social studies and math, which I guess makes sense. Taking into account today's sensationalized news culture, we have two options as to what every news outlet not based in Georgia says:

1- This teacher is a total fucking dumbass, therefore everyone from Georgia is a dumbass

2- This teacher is racist, so everyone from Georgia is a Minority-hating racist.

Undoubtedly some idiot/skinhead will be interviewed as "Undeniable proof" That all southern people are shit-eating rednecks/Blindly stupid racists.

Rick Perry would send ground troops back into Iraq, today if he could....

He has got to be one of the craziest assholes, I have ever seen. He's G.W. Bush on crack.... We don't own that country and we'd been there going on a decade.... We haven't really gotten anything out of it and shouldn't have been there to begin with.

It seems lots of people appear willing to spend $Trillions of dollars on an undefinable, and therefor by definition unwinnable, never ending war, but that homeless guy in the street, fuck him. Same thing with health care.

I'm beginning to think that if you're the president and want to declare war (by whatever means) you should have to be a front line combatant with exactly the same standard issue equipment as every private. If its important enough to risk someone else's life, then you can risk yours. This is the exact same political "lead from behind solely to get elected," crap that screwed us in Vietnam.... We are being bled dry and therefore losing this incredibly expensive war.... But hey, let's not tax the rich to pay for it even though they deserve it and lets cut as many social services as possible even thought the people getting them deserve it....

???

We never learn from history though.... Why on earth should we fund our little wars.... Supporting the Troops is not a stupid empty gesture ribbon decal on your stupid car. Taxes support our troops.... Why O why are we out of money.... Because hey, why should you pay taxes when voting in men who declare wars allegedly for freedom....

following each phrase that's bolded-

1- And this is a bad thing? The way I see it, the problem isn't the fact that America is FIGHTING a war, it's that we're fighting wars the wrong way. Apparently, generals these days seem focused on strict Napoleonic warfare rules (Sending a large army forward to fuck shit up), instead of the new rules of warfare (inserting a highly trained team to earn the trust of the people to gain their help in eliminating the target, meanwhile showing the natives that not every american is some fat imbecile screaming about their country).

2- Why must everyone assume that G.W. was a dumbass? Sure, the man graduated mid-class, but he graduated mid-class AT YALE. The reason he looks like a dumbass is because the majority of the voter demographic wants someone on their level, not someone like Al Gore who's a fucking genius about everything. He Had (!!SOME!!) good ideas, the man just had no rhetoric skills (The exact opposite of Obama, mind you)

3- People seem to forget that most homeless people are homeless for a reason. Remember The Man with the golden voice? He was very popular for a while, before we realized he was homeless for a reason when he got Piss drunk and kicked out of the expensive motel he was staying at.

4- See 1. Also, read "The Ugly American". It pretty much sums up the reason why we lost in Vietnam.

5- See 3.

6- Y'know, not every country is a shining example of democracy. Iraq in 2002 (Around the time we invaded) Had laws that allowed a man to beat his wife, and she could do nothing about it. See 1 for why that war slowed down.

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« Reply #9426 on: January 08, 2012, 03:07:45 pm »

You arent fighting a war. You are occupying a country where there are elements resisting the occupation. Thats a whole different kettle of fish.

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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #9427 on: January 08, 2012, 03:10:07 pm »

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2- Why must everyone assume that G.W. was a dumbass? Sure, the man graduated mid-class, but he graduated mid-class AT YALE. The reason he looks like a dumbass is because the majority of the voter demographic wants someone on their level, not someone like Al Gore who's a fucking genius about everything. He Had (!!SOME!!) good ideas, the man just had no rhetoric skills (The exact opposite of Obama, mind you)
I agreed with the first three lines, before you started to mindlessly praise him.


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3- People seem to forget that most homeless people are homeless for a reason. Remember The Man with the golden voice? He was very popular for a while, before we realized he was homeless for a reason when he got Piss drunk and kicked out of the expensive motel he was staying at.

5- See 3.
Therefore homeless people deserve to starve in the streets? go figure  ::)
BTW: It's nice how you generalize all homeless people (a category which grows every day thanks to mortgage executions, and includes people from many different backgrounds) basing yourself in one example, when a couple of lines before you were complaining about Georgian redneck stereotypes being reinforced by one racist teacher. Hypocrisy much?
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6- Y'know, not every country is a shining example of democracy. Iraq in 2002 (Around the time we invaded) Had laws that allowed a man to beat his wife, and she could do nothing about it. See 1 for why that war slowed down.

Whereas the regimes that are now in place there and in Afghanistan are shining examples of democracy, right? LOL.
BTW: This qualified as an hypocrisy moment as well. You decried a few lines before the stereotype of "some fat imbecile screaming about their country", and "sending in huge armies that f*** up everything, yet  jump in the bandwagon of "let's liberate the world at gunpoint!".
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #9428 on: January 08, 2012, 03:30:41 pm »

First off, and I'm not being an ass when i say this, this made me laugh. You've got some wit about you, poo.

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2- Why must everyone assume that G.W. was a dumbass? Sure, the man graduated mid-class, but he graduated mid-class AT YALE. The reason he looks like a dumbass is because the majority of the voter demographic wants someone on their level, not someone like Al Gore who's a fucking genius about everything. He Had (!!SOME!!) good ideas, the man just had no rhetoric skills (The exact opposite of Obama, mind you)
I agreed with the first three lines, before you started to mindlessly praise him.


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3- People seem to forget that most homeless people are homeless for a reason. Remember The Man with the golden voice? He was very popular for a while, before we realized he was homeless for a reason when he got Piss drunk and kicked out of the expensive motel he was staying at.

5- See 3.
Therefore homeless people deserve to starve in the streets? go figure  ::)
BTW: It's nice how you generalize all homeless people (a category which grows every day thanks to mortgage executions, and includes people from many different backgrounds) basing yourself in one example, when a couple of lines before you were complaining about Georgian redneck stereotypes being reinforced by one racist teacher. Hypocrisy much?

I highlited the *Most* there, but I think your right on one front. We shouldn't be focusing welfare on food stamp programs and such, but more on job programs, that help people get back on their feet without leeching off the govt with no incentive to become a productive member of society.
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6- Y'know, not every country is a shining example of democracy. Iraq in 2002 (Around the time we invaded) Had laws that allowed a man to beat his wife, and she could do nothing about it. See 1 for why that war slowed down.

Whereas the regimes that are now in place there and in Afghanistan are shining examples of democracy, right? LOL.
BTW: This qualified as an hypocrisy moment as well. You decried a few lines before the stereotype of "some fat imbecile screaming about their country", and "sending in huge armies that f*** up everything, yet  jump in the bandwagon of "let's liberate the world at gunpoint!".

Y'know, there is a reason that we need to stay there. Also, I wasn't aware of their being a new America-backed regime in Iraq and Afghanistan. Link?

BTW: I'm not, really, if you read my first point you'd see that I advocate the exact opposite of that notion. If you'd like me to go into more detail i'd love to.

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« Reply #9429 on: January 08, 2012, 04:19:37 pm »

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Y'know, not every country is a shining example of democracy. Iraq in 2002 (Around the time we invaded) Had laws that allowed a man to beat his wife, and she could do nothing about it.

You mean like this? http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/12/us/topeka-moves-to-decriminalize-domestic-violence.html We are certainly not a "shining example of democracy...." Or does anyone want this? If that's justification to invade, then let's kick the shit out of Kansas, cause they don't have WMDs either....

Assume? Me? No. I research things extremely well....

.... I'm not sure even where to begin with this.... Really.... If it isn't self evident that Bush was a complete and utter failure on the merits, then I'm not sure what to even say or if it's worth saying anything at all. I never cared about his class rank and I've repeatedly said that class rank means absolutely and completely nothing. His polices overwhelmingly suck and show a complete lack of thought in any capacity on his part other than giving them neat little names. They have so many gaping problems that I don't have time to go through them all. He was in Enron's back pocket and wanted to make Kenneth Lay of Enron the secretary of Energy or the Treasury. Yes he wanted Enron running the US Treasury or Energy Department, no joke.... No child left behind was unfunded, Gitmo is a massive human rights and international law violation that somehow continues to this day. The attorneys who said it was ok under John Yoo should all be publicly disbarred for saying that it isn't torture as long as you're not causing the immediate failure of one or more bodily systems (that's not a definition of torture, that's a when a hospital can't turn you away even if you can't pay. They have to stabilize you first. This is not an applicable definition and they knew that.). From the above quoted Wikipedia Article: On December 1, 2005, Yoo appeared in a debate in Chicago with University of Notre Dame law professor Doug Cassel. During the debate Cassel asked Yoo, "If the President deems that he's got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person's child, there is no law that can stop him?", to which Yoo replied "No treaty." Cassel followed up with "Also no law by Congress — that is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo...", to which Yoo replied "I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that." No law...? No treaty? I seem to remember an 8th amendment against cruel and usual punishment.... I seem to remember lots of international treaties against torture.... Any attorney who says that seriously, is just ... I don't eve know what... because he's trying to make blatant torture legal.... This is the man Bush chose to be his lawyer to advise him on how to torture people. No really, read that article.... Read some more too.... I have NEVER defended anyone in court who has been accused of doing anything nearly as bad as torturing children, but this man, an attorney says essentially that it would be ok as long as the President thought it was.... No law to stop it...

He lied about going into Iraq for WMDs and demanded his attorneys find a way to torture....The man took Clinton's budget surplus and by the time he left office we had entered massive deficits and the worst economic recession since the great depression. There are real reasons the man had a 28% approval rating.... Are there any programs under Bush that are good? He is the worst president in American History; at least Nixon had the good graces to leave when he got caught lying.... How can anyone say to give him some slack...? The man was so incompetent he had no idea what to do and as a last resort to cover this fact, he tortured people.... I don't care what else he may have done....

If they impeached and disbarred Clinton for lying about what he did with Monica Lewinsky then what on earth would they have done with JFK and Marilyn Monroe...? Yet Bush was fine, no consequence....
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I also didn't say, everyone from Georgia or the South is a racist or make any of the other overwhelmingly sweeping generalizations. Fact is, it isn't just "that teacher," it's that whole school which is paid for by the State of Georgia, but that's ok because here's the article and what it says again,

"'In this one, the teachers were trying to do a cross-curricular activity,' Gwinnett County school district spokeswoman Sloan Roach said.

Roach said the teachers were attempting to incorporate social studies into math problems."


This was a policy by the school which is paid for by the State of Georgia. These lesson plans were or should've been submitted and approved BEFORE they got sent home with kids as homework asking and I quote, "Each tree had 56 oranges. If eight slaves pick them equally, then how much would each slave pick?"

No, this is a systemic problem. Who approves the lesson plans and what is the procedure for it? How did this ever get through in a million years? The whole State including it's population, no. The whole school and probably a large chunk of the department of education, yes.
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #9430 on: January 08, 2012, 04:26:34 pm »

Bush was a horrible president, this is something everyone I've ever known has agreed on. The nicest thing I've ever heard said was, "I think he's done a good job given his severe mental disabilities."
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« Reply #9431 on: January 08, 2012, 04:38:54 pm »

When I first read that quote, I understood Georgia as the Near-East country. I almost wrote a post earlier today about how one shouldn't always associate slavery and racism just because it was closely related in the US.

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« Reply #9432 on: January 08, 2012, 04:58:58 pm »

2- Why must everyone assume that G.W. was a dumbass?
Charity. It is far kinder to assume he was a moron than to say he was fully aware of the consequences of his actions (gone into detail by Truean).
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« Reply #9433 on: January 08, 2012, 05:11:16 pm »

2- Why must everyone assume that G.W. was a dumbass?
Charity. It is far kinder to assume he was a moron than to say he was fully aware of the consequences of his actions (gone into detail by Truean).

Namely that he should be considered an international war criminal, arrested, and dragged into the Hague or applicable court for "mistreatment" of POWs? *cough* I mean "enemy combatants?"

If it was the leader of any other nation we'd do it....

It's a good thing he canceled his trip to Switzerland.... Hiding from the law is probably a good idea for him:

"George W Bush has had to call off a trip to Switzerland next weekend amid planned protests by human rights groups over the treatment of detainees at Guantánamo Bay and the threat of a warrant for his arrest."

I wouldn't recommend international travel for him.... He doesn't have diplomatic immunity anymore. He can be arrested.
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #9434 on: January 08, 2012, 05:32:04 pm »

Aye, some of the things he endorsed were flat-out war crimes. I wouldn't want to be him while traveling abroad.
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