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[Vector]

And as a man of Scandinavian descent I am offended that blue eyes remind you of them.

I'm sorry I've offended you.  Please tell me some other easy earmark for Aryanism, so that I can avoid hurting you in the future when trying to think of the various goals and privileges of Nazi eugenics.

Date line: Bay12 Forums.

Adults treat children badly because of eye color, thus proving you are a bad person if you want a specific eye color.

Yes, I feel so sorry for all those parents who wanted blue-eyed boys and were terribly disappointed with what they got--disappointed to the point where they were glad there was surgery for it, to take those nasty brown eyes away 

I mean seriously.  Be reasonable.

[Leafsnail]

It's not really the "privileging" of them, is it?  It's a new kind of cosmetic surgery, and for practical reasons it seems to be easier to change from brown to blue than vice versa.

I suppose his comment about windows into the soul is strange, but a) he's trying to promote a new procedure and he'd probably say something similar if he'd found how to change blue to brown and b) it seems pretty unfair to compare him to a mass murderer/ torturer just because he made a possibly offensive comment.

I'm sorry I've offended you.  Please tell me some other easy earmark for Aryanism, so that I can avoid hurting you in the future when trying to think of the various goals and privileges of Nazi eugenics.

Y'know, it's not usually productive to compare people you disagree with to Nazis.  If you think what they're doing is bad, then you can generally explain why it's bad without drawing a connection to the Third Reich.

Edit: tone.

[Vector]

Gender is performative.  It is not solely cosmetic in nature, so that one's genitals will strictly inform how you behave, period.  That is why being trans falls under a different category, much like a person hoping to be humble rather than arrogant, or perhaps patient and calm rather than an active go-getter.  As such, Criptfeind's logic is a false extension of the issue at hand.

Blue eyes are not an activity.  There is hopefully not a "blue-eyed personality" or "blue-eyed designated social role."

A hierarchy of physical appearances does exist in the United States, and quite a bit of it is based on coloration.  Please note that, for example, hair that is a little bit brown and a little bit blond is called "dirty blond."

The author of the article did not frame his argument and desire to turn brown eyes blue in terms of cosmetic fun and games.  It is framed as a method employed to increase soulfulness, that is, humanity.

The idea that you could become more human by changing your brown eyes to blue is deeply problematic and indeed reminiscent of certain Nazi projects.  It is one thing to wish your child had blue eyes, but see them for who they are and treat them as wonderful just the way they are.  It is another thing to treat those with brown eyes as less human, especially because brown eyes are more often correlated with other dark pigmentation, much like all those silly people who have told me "you would be pretty if you just straightened your hair."

[Leafsnail]

The author of the article did not frame his argument and desire to turn brown eyes blue in terms of cosmetic fun and games.  It is framed as a method employed to increase soulfulness, that is, humanity.

I feel that this is actually somewhat misrepresenting what he said.

“The eyes are the windows to the soul, [there's] this idea that people can actually see into it — a blue eye is not opaque. You can see deeply into it, and a brown eye is very opaque, and I think that there is something meaningful about this idea of having open windows to the soul,”

So even if we are to take it completely literally and not from an misguided aesthetic metaphor point of view he isn't saying that blue eyed people are "ensouled" - rather that you can see into the souls of blue eyed people in a way you can't see into the souls of brown eyed people, with no implication about who is actually more "ensouled".  This is actually pretty different, since it implies a cosmetic difference (whether people can see into your soul or not) rather than a deeper one (whether you have a soul or not).

It should be noted that I absolutely don't agree with such a notion, especially in its literal form.  I just don't think there's any valid interpretation of it which leads to "Brown eyed people have less soul than blue eyed people".

It is one thing to wish your child had blue eyes, but see them for who they are and treat them as wonderful just the way they are.

I'm not sure why you keep bringing parents and their children into this rather than people's own decisions - am I missing something where someone said that parents would be able to perform the process on their children rather than have it voluntarily done to them?  Surely we should frame this in terms of whether you want to change your own eye colour rather than your children's.

[Aqizzar]

Please note that, for example, hair that is a little bit brown and a little bit blond is called "dirty blond."

I think this is something that you are reading a problem into.  Why is blond hair tinged with brown called "dirty blond"?  Because that's what it looks like, blond hair with dirt in it.  It is not a pejorative, it's a visual colloquialism.  And if men's magazines are any indication, it's near the top of the American appearance hierarchy anyway.

I really do think it's possible to get overly concerned about some of these appearance things.

[ChairmanPoo]

. This is actually pretty different, since it implies a cosmetic difference (whether people can see into your soul or not) rather than a deeper one (whether you have a soul or not).

Souls are not a cosmetic factor. With that statement, the man is making a judgement on the moral character of brown eyed people. Whether intentional or not is a clearly discriminatory comment.

[Leafsnail]

I'm aware that souls are not a cosmetic factor.  Whether you can easily see into them through your eyes, however, is.  If we're taking him entirely literally he's not saying that the soul isn't there, just that it can be seen through the eyes in brown people (since melanin magically blocks the view into it, somehow).  There's no judgement on the moral character of brown eyed people at all.

Again, it's a stupid statement whether metaphorical or literal, but I really can't see it as saying that brown eyed people are less ensouled.

[Blargityblarg]

. This is actually pretty different, since it implies a cosmetic difference (whether people can see into your soul or not) rather than a deeper one (whether you have a soul or not).

Souls are not a cosmetic factor. With that statement, the man is making a judgement on the moral character of brown eyed people. Whether intentional or not is a clearly discriminatory comment.

He's invoking a suggestion that people with blue eyes are more transparent than those with brown. That's not what I'd call a moral judgment, by any stretch.

[Nadaka]

Bah. you people and your unchanging monochromatic eyes. At least you can honestly answer "what color are your eyes?" without looking in a mirror. Whats that say about my soul?

[Leafsnail]

I kindof suspect I have that too, or at least eyes that look different under different light.  I tend to give up working out whether they look green, brown or yellowish and put them down under "hazel".

[Duke 2.0]

 Guys, we're overthinking this a bit perhaps.

 Somebody came up with an expensive medical procedure for a purely visual difference. It's the sort of thing only somewhat wealthy people would do and wouldn't be a terribly common procedure. Extremely expensive vanity things tend to be like that. Because the major limiting factor of profits is how many customers he gets one needs to really advertise them well. Take a common metaphor for the body part, add some bullshit to it and have it sell a bit better.

 There could be some merit to discussing how this metaphor became so prevalent in today's society, cosmetic surgery on minors, body image and the advancement of the Nazi ideal, but it's pretty clear the original intent here is profit with marketing speak.

[Pnx]

I just spent 15 minutes daydreaming about all the beautiful eyes I've seen in the world... I have a bit of a thing for eyes, they're symbolic, and beautiful.

Anyway, this is strongly reminding me of Harrison Bergeron.

[Willfor]

I have blue eyes, but I've always wanted green ones because green is my favorite color.

...

What?

[Andir]

Also a hazelite... hazeline?

[ggamer]

Let's clear up a few things.

Vector, don't throw around phrases like "Aryan" willy nilly like that.

There are four "birthplaces" of society, that being the Indus river valley, the huang he river valley, the Nile river valley, and the Tigris/Euphrates river valley (not too sure about the last one, it's been a few months).

That's four completely separate societies, each with different culture and ethnicity.

The "Aryans" were a group in southern India (Not sure if it was the coastal plains or the Indo-gangetic river), that formed a part of the hindu religion. That being that there were two groups, the Aryans and the Dravidians. While the Aryans formed the four upper castes of Hinduism, the Dravidians formed the bottom caste known as the "untouchables".

You are relating the Hindu religion to the political party of a man who lived in a predominatley Jewish town and was probably batshit insane (That one is unsupported).

So, by using the phrase:

Please tell me some other easy earmark for Aryanism

You are either using it (Blue eyes) in correlation with a ethnic group in Southern India or a group defined by a sociopathic maniac.

I'd love you to be more specific.

Anyhow, I actually kind of find blue eyes attractive. I have green eyes, so I just... kind of like blue eyes?

bluh.

Also a hazelite... hazeline?

Hazelites? Hazelotes? hazelpeople?