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[Bohandas]

Besides, WTF does spending have to do with government power in the first place?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Nadaka]

http://news.yahoo.com/correcting-fairy-tale-seal-account-osama-bin-laden-054233289.html

Back when the Bin Laden raid occured. I expressed my doubts and moral qualms.

If true, this article makes me feel better about the planning and execution of that mission, but worse about the politics involved in the aftermath.

[Pnx]

Besides, WTF does spending have to do with government power in the first place?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

... Because money is power.

[Andir]

Seriously, there is no "plot" to this. No conspericy to keep the people down. The problem is that there's two very different parties who hate each other trying to share the same country, so their's a lot of pulling and everything going no where. It's like saying that people use sports fans as an excuse to riot. There are people like that but they are the the minority, but others want to focus on them as an excuse to hate sports fans.

I went to a riot and a hockey game broke out


Also, on the question of what differences there are between democrats and republicans-

Fundementally, [I'm rather sure that] democrats advocate the funneling of more power to the government. leave taxes and increase spending.
Republicans, meanwhile, try to shrink the government. Cut spending on non-essential government programs (In this case, Social Security all day erry day), and raise taxes.

So, while you guys say that the differences are purely cosmetic, they are quite literally polar opposites.

What? No. no. no. NO!

You need to pay attention to what the parties actually DO.

Both parties advocate the funneling of more power to the government.

Democrats believe in paying for government with taxes.

Republicans believe in paying for government with debt, basically pawning off responsibility to future generations.

Democrats believe that some of that big government should support the middle and lower classes, to keep them from rioting in the streets if nothing else.

Republicans believe that all of that big government should support the wealthy, subtly control the middle class and subjugate the lower class.

The tea party is a relatively new faction in the republican party that actively wants to undo every bit of progress made in the last 300 years towards social justice and equity.

I didn't know that we were throwing around baseless claims here...

[Nadaka]

Seriously, there is no "plot" to this. No conspericy to keep the people down. The problem is that there's two very different parties who hate each other trying to share the same country, so their's a lot of pulling and everything going no where. It's like saying that people use sports fans as an excuse to riot. There are people like that but they are the the minority, but others want to focus on them as an excuse to hate sports fans.

I went to a riot and a hockey game broke out


Also, on the question of what differences there are between democrats and republicans-

Fundementally, [I'm rather sure that] democrats advocate the funneling of more power to the government. leave taxes and increase spending.
Republicans, meanwhile, try to shrink the government. Cut spending on non-essential government programs (In this case, Social Security all day erry day), and raise taxes.

So, while you guys say that the differences are purely cosmetic, they are quite literally polar opposites.

What? No. no. no. NO!

You need to pay attention to what the parties actually DO.

Both parties advocate the funneling of more power to the government.

Democrats believe in paying for government with taxes.

Republicans believe in paying for government with debt, basically pawning off responsibility to future generations.

Democrats believe that some of that big government should support the middle and lower classes, to keep them from rioting in the streets if nothing else.

Republicans believe that all of that big government should support the wealthy, subtly control the middle class and subjugate the lower class.

The tea party is a relatively new faction in the republican party that actively wants to undo every bit of progress made in the last 300 years towards social justice and equity.

I didn't know that we were throwing around baseless claims here...

Unsupported claims, not baseless. In any case pretty much everyone should agree with the first 3 if they have any knowledge of modern US politics. As those explicitly counter the erroneous statements I was responding to.

[Andir]

Seriously, there is no "plot" to this. No conspericy to keep the people down. The problem is that there's two very different parties who hate each other trying to share the same country, so their's a lot of pulling and everything going no where. It's like saying that people use sports fans as an excuse to riot. There are people like that but they are the the minority, but others want to focus on them as an excuse to hate sports fans.

I went to a riot and a hockey game broke out


Also, on the question of what differences there are between democrats and republicans-

Fundementally, [I'm rather sure that] democrats advocate the funneling of more power to the government. leave taxes and increase spending.
Republicans, meanwhile, try to shrink the government. Cut spending on non-essential government programs (In this case, Social Security all day erry day), and raise taxes.

So, while you guys say that the differences are purely cosmetic, they are quite literally polar opposites.

What? No. no. no. NO!

You need to pay attention to what the parties actually DO.

Both parties advocate the funneling of more power to the government.

Democrats believe in paying for government with taxes.

Republicans believe in paying for government with debt, basically pawning off responsibility to future generations.

Democrats believe that some of that big government should support the middle and lower classes, to keep them from rioting in the streets if nothing else.

Republicans believe that all of that big government should support the wealthy, subtly control the middle class and subjugate the lower class.

The tea party is a relatively new faction in the republican party that actively wants to undo every bit of progress made in the last 300 years towards social justice and equity.

I didn't know that we were throwing around baseless claims here...

Unsupported claims, not baseless. In any case pretty much everyone should agree with the first 3 if they have any knowledge of modern US politics. As those explicitly counter the erroneous statements I was responding to.

I don't agree with #2 and #3.  Both parties believe in paying for government with taxes.

[Duke 2.0]

 Thankfully we ignored the keyword "fundamentally" up in there. And by we I mean nadaka, and by ignore I mean glanced over in blind justifiable seething rage at something wrong with the system.

 What they actually DO is subject to corruption, alternate motivations, wildly dynamic interests and seemingly contradictory values of individuals. None of these traits have any bearing on the fundamental point of the parties and why the average Jane believes in one side or another.

[Vector]

So we meet again, Doctor Mengele.

... Wow, maybe I'm not actually even kidding about that.

[ChairmanPoo]

“The eyes are the windows to the soul, [there's] this idea that people can actually see into it — a blue eye is not opaque. You can see deeply into it, and a brown eye is very opaque, and I think that there is something meaningful about this idea of having open windows to the soul,”

What the...

If you want to market a new cosmetic procedure, more power for you. But cut the crap about windows to the soul and brown eyes. It sounds too much like that shitty psyc experiments in which they told schoolboys that kids with eyes of color whatever were smarter


Edit: more relevantly

Dr. Ivan Schwab, a professor of ophthalmology at the University of California at Davis School of Medicine and clinical correspondent at the American Academy of Ophthalmology, also has his doubts. He said several long-term studies should get under way before Homer offers the procedure to the public.

I was assuming that the laser blueeyer guy had already done safety tests, at the very least

[Criptfeind]

Nazis on the brain?

[Vector]

Nazis on the brain?

Something like that, yes.  On the other hand, I do have to admit that a lot of the recent "developments" are sounding very familiar.

[Criptfeind]

No. A guy finding out how to make your eyes blue does not remind me of the Nazi. Nazis? Notsi. Whatever the plural is.

And as a man of Scandinavian descent I am offended that blue eyes remind you of them.

[Vector]

No. A guy finding out how to make your eyes blue does not remind me of the Nazi. Nazis? Notsi. Whatever the plural is.

I said nothing about which opinions you were expected to hold on the matter, only that privileging of blue eyes (again and as usual) tastes a little bit sick.

For example, I have relatives on both sides of my family, some American and one German, who very strongly prefer children with blue eyes and treat brown-eyed ones worse, as people, because their coloration isn't the "pretty" one.

[MonkeyHead]

Seriously? Wow. That seems incredibly harsh. One of my kids has dark eyes, the other pale blue, and there is no way I could possibly imagine treating either of them differently due to eye colour.

Nazi story of the week? This one: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15536544

[Criptfeind]

Date line: Bay12 Forums.

Adults treat children badly because of eye color, thus proving you are a bad person if you want a specific eye color.

Edit: You know what? Why not. Lets extend the logic. You are a bad person if you want to be anything different from what you are. Sorry to have to be the one to tell you Truean.