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Author Topic: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread  (Read 872988 times)

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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #6765 on: November 04, 2011, 01:35:00 pm »

...and sometimes a graph is just a graph.

You may argue about the (sub)conscious intent of the graph, but it's merely a scale.  It could be represented in color, shapes, or stuffed animals in a pile and someone would complain about the number of sides, the hue, or the quality of stitching.
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« Reply #6766 on: November 04, 2011, 02:06:17 pm »

Your post quite frankly doesn't address the issue at all, which is that the person who creates such a graph gets to decide what point is in the middle.  So saying "Look how few people are on this side of the middle!" is meaningless.  As is trying to paint anyone who happens to not be in the libertarian sector of your graph as some kind of totalitarian.
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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #6767 on: November 04, 2011, 02:06:46 pm »

Putting political opinions on a scale is pretty borked in the first place. You can't really mash up someone's opinions on everything and place them on a linear scale from conservative to liberal, even though everyone tries. Making your graph multidimensional doesn't really help either. No matter what, you're just going to group people together that may or may not actually have radically different opinions on specific issues, just because they're "overall" similar.

But of course, people like their simplifications.
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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #6768 on: November 04, 2011, 02:10:17 pm »

What if you had a separate axis for every issue?[/this suggestion is a joke]
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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #6769 on: November 04, 2011, 02:56:06 pm »

I finally read something that made understood what the Greek crisis was about. What is frightening is that we should have seen this coming miles away, and that I, at least, but apparently most of the financial system either, didn't see anything until it blew to our faces.

The principle is simple. Thirty years ago, Greece was an uninteresting banana republic with a backward economy, and when the Colonels wanted to borrow money, the common response was : go fuck yourself.
But then one day, we made them enter Europe and the Euro and told the markets "you can lend, Greece is now as strong as GERMANY" and the market, doing what they were supposed to do lent. Except that Greece was still a pretty backward country, with no relevant investment and now with a money way too strong for their economy.
The money vanished (in the pocket of whoever got his hand on it) and now the prime minister, and every Greek with him, is considering dropping the Euro, (rightly so). Morality, we're all dumbasses (except if you saw it coming or are not European.) Wanna hear something funny? There is a lot of other country in that position (Italy, Spain, Portugal), luckily for us, with an economy a tiny bit less fucked up . Still...
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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #6770 on: November 04, 2011, 03:03:58 pm »

Not true. Portugal did require a bailout recently, but Italy and Spain are not on the same level by far. They're much larger economies.
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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #6771 on: November 04, 2011, 03:07:46 pm »

Not true. Portugal did require a bailout recently, but Italy and Spain are not on the same level by far. They're much larger economies.

The corruption and waste reach near similar level. Italy is particularly at risk with the disastrous influence of Berluscony.
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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #6772 on: November 04, 2011, 03:20:56 pm »



The corruption and waste reach near similar level.
Again, not by far, whatever some pressure lobbies would want you to believe.  Both countries are functioning far better than Greece as it is. Spain in particular is not really worse off than the UK.  I've linked this in the past http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_sovereign_debt_crisis

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« Reply #6773 on: November 04, 2011, 03:28:28 pm »

Not true. Portugal did require a bailout recently, but Italy and Spain are not on the same level by far. They're much larger economies.

The corruption and waste reach near similar level. Italy is particularly at risk with the disastrous influence of Berluscony.

meh, berlusconi isn't the fault.
technically speaking italy is funded by different "factions"/partiti.
berlusconi is the head of one of such partiti.
is vote isn't bigger than the vote of one young "forza nuova" or "legaambiente" the problem is that he is the lightning rod for everything. we are crumbling? it's berlusconi.
economical crysis? berlusconi.
once berlusconi is gone it's going to be someone else.
italy and italians are fond of giving the fault to somebody else. when it's just a pebble.
Give the fault to the italians who keep VOTING berlusconi or his party.
remember...italy is a democracy! so there is no such thing as "berlusconi's" fault. but "the people who voted democratically berlusconi"'s fault.
he...italians. if it weren't for pasta and pizza i'd have left this nationality at birth. sad you can't choose the country to be born in.
i'd have gone with canada.
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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #6774 on: November 04, 2011, 06:47:09 pm »

Your post quite frankly doesn't address the issue at all, which is that the person who creates such a graph gets to decide what point is in the middle.  So saying "Look how few people are on this side of the middle!" is meaningless.  As is trying to paint anyone who happens to not be in the libertarian sector of your graph as some kind of totalitarian.
And the difference between this and the left-right scale is...

It's better than nothing. If you really want to, shift it a bit or ignore where the middle point is.
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« Reply #6775 on: November 04, 2011, 07:20:27 pm »

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« Reply #6776 on: November 04, 2011, 07:30:37 pm »

That's fucking hilarious :D. I had never thought of that before.

Women laughing alone with salad was also great though, but perhaps just silly rather than both silly and sexualised.

edit: meant laughing, not eating.
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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #6778 on: November 04, 2011, 07:37:20 pm »

 ... is there a version with milk?

 
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 I'm glad they quote a Women Laughing long With Salad article in there.
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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #6779 on: November 04, 2011, 07:40:46 pm »

No "Women In A Lab Coat Looking At A Test Tube Of Colored Water"?
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