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[ChairmanPoo]

Unless you have backing information, please refrain from this.

State budget crises have led to job losses that disproportionately affect women, who make up the majority of state and local government employees. Last year, local governments shed 259,000 workers, of whom 225,000 were women.

[kaijyuu]

I'd like to know the percentage of women who have government jobs compared to men. That quote already says women have more government jobs than men... do they have 86.87% of the jobs? Also to be considered is what level of importance these jobs that women workers have. If they're working the type of jobs that are easy to lay off, that would also explain the high percentage of women workers being fired compared to men.

All in all I can't call these women being laid off to be victims of sexism (rather than victims of circumstance, possibly caused/furthered by sexism in other areas) without further evidence.

[Andir]

Unless you have backing information, please refrain from this.

State budget crises have led to job losses that disproportionately affect women, who make up the majority of state and local government employees. Last year, local governments shed 259,000 workers, of whom 225,000 were women.

I'm referring to the libelous accusations that the Tea Party intentionally wanted this.  They may have wanted cuts in government, but stretching that to include that the Tea Party did it to fire women is what I need references for.  We don't need that kind of atmosphere.  He may dislike the Tea Party, but that doesn't mean he can lie about their intentions.

[Virex]

Considering their general attitude towards women I am surprised they haven't yet openly advocating firing the female part of the work force to free more jobs up for men... Then again, you may be right that they didn't intend this to happen, but they sure ain't crying over it.

[palsch]

There are some rough stats here suggesting that women make up 57% of all government jobs, rising to 62% in local government. That's dated to earlier this year.

More likely the women are more concentrated in areas that are being attacked while male dominated areas are being protected. Firefighters and police officers are normally the last to be cut, and those fields are massively male. Teachers are a favourite target for anti-union types and that's hugely female (76% according to that article). They also note 'home based-child-care workers' at 96% female being stripped of collective bargaining rights.

And women are the ones hit hardest by bargaining rights and benefits being cut. While most such issues like childcare and healthcare are far from exclusively female, they have far harsher effects on women than on men, statistically speaking.

There are similar results in the UK, with female employment taking particularly harsh hits in the youngest and oldest age bands.


As for the Tea Party wanting this, probably not. There are more obvious opponents here. Start with the Eagle Forum and Phyllis Schlafly and go from there.

[Nadaka]

1: libelous? Really? That was not libel.

2: I otherwise agree with you Andir, even though the tea party is aligned with anti-female liberty religious groups, their stated goal of directly harming America in an attempt to cause public unrest is a far more plausible scenario.

[Andir]

I'd like to know the percentage of women who have government jobs compared to men. That quote already says women have more government jobs than men... do they have 86.87% of the jobs?

A Quick search nets this: http://www.govexec.com/pdfs/071911kl1.pdf

Page 12.   About 59%

Considering their general attitude towards women I am surprised they haven't yet openly advocating firing the female part of the work force to free more jobs up for men... Then again, you may be right that they didn't intend this to happen, but they sure ain't crying over it.

General Attitude?  Does this include all the women who are a part of the organization?

He notes that "polls suggest that tea party activists are not only more mainstream than many critics suggest, but that a majority of them are women (primarily mothers), not angry white men".[209]

So, a majority of the organization's supporters are women, yet they want more jobs for men?  Sure... makes sense to me!

And obviously, since I don't come out and decry something means I support it.

1: libelous? Really? That was not libel.

li·bel
noun /ˈlībəl/ 
libels, plural

A published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation

A false and malicious statement about a person

A thing or circumstance that brings undeserved discredit on a person by misrepresentation

[Virex]

There are plenty of women who hang on to "traditional values" (ignoring for the moment that those values are only about two centuries old)

A Quick search nets this: http://www.govexec.com/pdfs/071911kl1.pdf

Page 12.   About 59%

You may have noticed that the percentage of women being fired, compared to men is about 90%...

And obviously, since I don't come out and decry something means I support it.

Well, if you say so, then I'll have to take your word for it.


Also, when did the Tea Party stop wearing this kind of "libel" as a badge of honor? If anything they should thank us.

[Nadaka]

Libel requires an intentional lie to cause harm everywhere except great britain.

A mistaken statement is not libel.

[Andir]

You may have noticed that the percentage of women being fired, compared to men is about 90%...

If I have 100 people:
59 women
41 men

I fire 9 women and 1 man, that's 90%

I'm left with:
50 women
40 men

That's still a majority of women working in the public sector.

[Bauglir]

Hrm, I may have a short memory, but I can't recall any association between the Tea Party and misogyny, except that the movement seems to have adopted social conservatism as a goal to be pursued. Which is to say, there's probably some inadvertent support there, and I'm sure there are many members who imagine that this is part of the philosophy, but I'm not sure how much of the platform actually is misogynistic. Besides the whole reproductive rights thing... Yeah, okay.

I will say that we're on the verge of a definition war here, I think, between people who associate the Tea Party with the movement it seems to have become, and the people who identify with the principles it ostensibly stands for. These are very different things, and I think it might be a good idea to just clarify what you're talking about, exactly, before we get into any posts that start out with "The Tea Party is X" or something.

[Andir]

Hrm, I may have a short memory, but I can't recall any association between the Tea Party and misogyny

There isn't.  Every instance I've seen is lies in an attempt to "ad hominem"** the group because the person doesn't agree with some other aspect of the group.

**I'm sure there's a better term for groups, but I don't know it off the top of my head

[G-Flex]

The Tea Party is a socially conservative group. The socially conservative position on gender is misogynistic.

[Andir]

The socially conservative position on gender is misogynistic.

I'm not buying into this... From my experience in [dealing with | talking to | knowing] people who claim to be conservative (highly religious or not) do not favor someone simply because of sex.  It still feels like FUD.

[Angle]

Oh, they don't "Favor" people based on sex. They merely think that people should be restricted to different roles based on their gender, that's all. /sarcasm